When and how do you decide to have photos PSA-certified?

[Schlesinj]

Hakes just sold a few non-type 1 photos of Josh Gibson for $6k. Here is a type 2 and I am unaware of any type 1 of this and these have sold for over multiple thousands. The system is the system. It may be interpreted differently in the future too.





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[Johnphotoman]

I do tend to agree that Type 3 is not a "negative" connotation, but why is it most experts- people with far more knowledge than me…all make it out to be? Mostly by placing a small monetary value on Type 3 and 4, not only that they are of the opinion there is no market for them. I said it before, I cannot say- how many times someone with a lot of knowledge told me there is not much use for the photos I have, but each one wanted to take them off my hands. But that is all changing now, it has a lot to do with net54, where we can get opinions of every kind to help us collectors make wise decisions. This post is proof of that.

I do see a trend where this negative opinion is changing, people are starting to realize the type the photo is Classified as, is not as important as the subject and date of issues, not to mention how rare (one-of-a-kind) type 3-4 photos can be. There is no debut Type 3-4 photos can be of great historical value and interest at times more than Type 1 and 2 photos. people are even realizing how cool they are to have in a collection. John

[Exhibitman]

The main issue I have with the rationale presented is that there is literally no Type I of the team issued photos. There would be an original file photo somewhere on a paste-up board with the name, logo, etc., stripped onto it.

Another thing I find annoying about it is that team issues are not collected for photo clarity per se, they are all about the fact that the team issued the photo in that given year as the official publicity photo of the player. Same with publicity photos, tales of the tape (boxer head to head photos with stats), and similar. It is closer to card collecting than to photo collecting.

I (and the others who I know who are into them) prefer the 'official' Type III to some random Type I image. If the market hasn't developed for that, fantastic, I get to add more of them to my PC.

Ahh well, in the end, best to not fret over PSA's designations and just try to enjoy them. Tom and Nolan agree:

[Johnphotoman]

I agree with you, Exhibitman. One of the reasons I thought about PSA's designations was maybe by doing so, more information would be discovered about the photos. But thanks to everybody posting here I understand that is not the case. What I have learned is that photo classification as a Type (number system) is mainly used as a catalog system - for how long the print was made from the original negative. I for one have no use in such a system, it might work on Wire photos and team issues photos.

No wait, not on team photo packs…take the 1956 Yankees Action Photo set.( See for more information on this in link) https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=359423

The 1956 Yankees Action Photo set -has a photo of Hank Bauer which is a match for the baseball card 1952 Berk Ross-Hit Parade of champions. I have the exact photo with name on it - all just like the issue pack, the Berk Ross card is an exact match to the photo…right down to the name on the photo. But the card came out in 1952, the photo came out in 1956.

But wait, that is not all I found. I discovered the photo had to be taken in 1948. I started doing some digging into the uniforms and the uniforms proves the photo is from 1948. In 1948 the Yankees wore a black armband on the left sleeve, in honor of Babe Ruth. Therefore the photo is not an original photo pack, but the 1956 Yankees photo pack used older photos. The photo is a 1948 issue or say when it was taken.

How would PSA handle the photo, they would classify it as a type, most likely a Type 3. Sadly I would miss all the historical information about the photo. No information that the image was a 1952 Berk Ross baseball card, I would not know it was a team photo from 1956, or have proof that the photo was taken in 1948.

PSA does not investigate the photos as cards, ie-evaluate the condition of the photos etc. or are concerned with issue date or historical interest. I thought PSA would be able to provide historical information, or say when the photo was issued, maybe be able to tell how old the photos are etc.

What about my Jackie Robinson photograph? If most people are right, it would be a Type 3. Despite the fact it could be very rare, I have only seen two others and they were articles on how the photo was used to make the Berk Ross card. The two linked articles- suggest the photo was used as a photostat to make the 1952 Berk Ross baseball card.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...%20would%20win

http://keymancollectibles.com/photos...4100.%2D%24200

What are we missing, this photo was taken in 1946, we know this because of the date on the scoreboard. This photo is before Jackie was in Major League Baseball.

Jackie Robinson signed his first National League contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers on October 23, 1945, and made his debut on April 15, 1947, becoming the first African American to play in modern Major League Baseball.

How important can this photo be, the photo actually hails from a1946- 1947 preseason series against the Yankees just prior to Jackie’s official debut. TCMA-Andrew Aronstein provided the Original photo from “getty images” see below. John