Any One Collect Pins?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by edtiques

Sorry about taking so long to reply. The pin is 1.25 inch and the locking pin is different than what I'm used to seeing on that set. I thought it might have lost the original pin at some point and it was replaced with the current one.


Thank you to Al (Batsballsbases) for clearing it up:

"Rob I have seen them both with that pin clasp locking hoop and the straight pin.. like i said it just appears to look like a rim but I believe its just the reflection from the plastic coin holder making it look that way..."

Photo out of the coin holder:

Yep looks about right! Thanks Ed for taking it out of the holder...

[Smanzari]

I'm really starting to enjoy picking up and learning about pins. Is there a (affordable/In Print) Book / "Bible" or a super-frequented resource to dive into? Really wanting to learn about the types / rarities / etc. and what to keep my eye out for when digging at shows - I think I saw one a large handful of posts back but the post seems to imply its rare/expensive (I write in my books like this, so can't over spend when its getting doodled in!)

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

I'm really starting to enjoy picking up and learning about pins. Is there a (affordable/In Print) Book / "Bible" or a super-frequented resource to dive into? Really wanting to learn about the types / rarities / etc. and what to keep my eye out for when digging at shows - I think I saw one a large handful of posts back but the post seems to imply its rare/expensive (I write in my books like this, so can't over spend when its getting doodled in!)

Post #1873, above. It might cost you 100 bucks but it’s worth it IMO. There are a few inaccuracies and the prices are somewhat inflated but there’s no better book out there.

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Post #1873, above. It might cost you 100 bucks but it’s worth it IMO. There are a few inaccuracies and the prices are somewhat inflated but there’s no better book out there.

Thanks - I saw that but wasn't completely sure if it was "A book" or "THE book"! haha

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

Thanks - I saw that but wasn't completely sure if it was "A book" or "THE book"! haha

IMO, this doesn't compare to THE book, but does contain some decent information. I just found this on ebay for 11 bucks. There may be others.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

IMO, this doesn't compare to THE book, but does contain some decent information. I just found this on ebay for 11 bucks. There may be others.

I have this. Good reference book.

[edtiques]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

Thanks - I saw that but wasn't completely sure if it was "A book" or "THE book"! haha

Here's a link to the book ooo-ribay suggested. It's $18 new:

https://www.tedhake.com/itemcatalog.aspx?categoryid=243

[Smanzari]

Thanks Guys! I put that one in my cart in hopes they shoot me a deal, if not I'll snag it later today

[edtiques]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

Thanks Guys! I put that one in my cart in hopes they shoot me a deal, if not I'll snag it later today

If you're interested, you can also ask him if he has a copy of the Munchisky book available. He thinks he may have a copy or 2 left.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Post #1873, above. It might cost you 100 bucks but it’s worth it IMO. There are a few inaccuracies and the prices are somewhat inflated but there’s no better book out there.

It’s quite a book with great photos. If I recall correctly, the pins included were all in the author’s collection. He included a price guide at the back of the book and I agree that the prices, at least for the more commonly available pins, are inflated. Overall, Paul Muchinsky’s book is fun and informative, depicting the author’s love for this niche of the hobby. It’s a must-own for any collector of baseball pinback buttons.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by icollectDCsports

It’s quite a book with great photos. If I recall correctly, the pins included were all in the author’s collection.He included a price guide at the back of the book and I agree that the prices, at least for the more commonly available pins, are inflated.Overall, Paul Muchinsky’s book is fun and informative, depicting the author’s love for this niche of the hobby. It’s a must-own for any collector of baseball pinback buttons.

It may be true of all memorabilia, but I think pins are especially hard to “value”…

First, you’ll have the situation of multiple ebay bidders but with only two putting in big bids. Let’s say you had last minute snipes of $132, $475 and $500. The pin will sell for $480, but without either of the high bids, it would have gone for $133. Is it really “worth” $480? We’ve all experienced what I call “that one other guy” who either beats you or costs you a lot of money. And now, with the $500 bidder out of the way, the same pin might go for significantly less if it comes up again. There have definitely been times where, in hindsight, I was glad I lost out the first time around. Some of Paul’s inflated “values” may be due to the fact he regularly dueled with another big time pin collector.

Another factor, I think, affects pin value for a team collector like myself. I often joke with my fellow Giants collectors that “after you, me and he gets one,” these pins go for peanuts. That is, after we fight among ourselves, there’s no one for the next bidder to fight with. I know a newer Giants team collector who is frustrated some pins I have are now hard to find but if he does find them he usually gets them for less than what I paid (not always).

PM-10’s may be easier to value than “team” pins but, again, I almost think their value actually goes down as the collectors who want them, get them. To me, only the super rare, “seen once every 10 years” pins can really be assigned a value. Am I making any sense?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It may be true of all memorabilia, but I think pins are especially hard to “value”…

First, you’ll have the situation of multiple ebay bidders but with only two putting in big bids. Let’s say you had last minute snipes of $132, $475 and $500. The pin will sell for $480, but without either of the high bids, it would have gone for $133. Is it really “worth” $480? We’ve all experienced what I call “that one other guy” who either beats you or costs you a lot of money. And now, with the $500 bidder out of the way, the same pin might go for significantly less if it comes up again. There have definitely been times where, in hindsight, I was glad I lost out the first time around. Some of Paul’s inflated “values” may be due to the fact he regularly dueled with another big time pin collector.

Another factor, I think, affects pin value for a team collector like myself. I often joke with my fellow Giants collectors that “after you, me and he gets one,” these pins go for peanuts. That is, after we fight among ourselves, there’s no one for the next bidder to fight with. I know a newer Giants team collector who is frustrated some pins I have are now hard to find but if he does find them he usually gets them for less than what I paid (not always).

PM-10’s may be easier to value than “team” pins but, again, I almost think their value actually goes down as the collectors who want them, get them. To me, only the super rare, “seen once every 10 years” pins can really be assigned a value. Am I making any sense?

I tend to follow a very simple rule about valuing collectibles. I don’t pay much attention to eBay sold prices or “comps”. What a buyer and seller sold a particular item for yesterday, last week, last month is irrelevant to me. That’s them. I’m me. There really can’t be a price guide for collectibles in my mind. I may ask a fellow collector what they might value something at, but the ultimate decision to buy or sell at a particular price is mine.

Example: You have a Mantle signed ball that want to buy. Would you sell it for $1? No. $100? Probably not. $1,000? Well, now I’ve probably got your attention. So $1,000 is the ceiling. I ask, would you take $200?
You: $900?
Me: $300?
You: $800?

And so, we dance.

Sometimes, I pay over “comps” because I see something that I must own. Sometimes, I offer less than comps because that’s what I value it at.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I tend to follow a very simple rule about valuing collectibles. I don’t pay much attention to eBay sold prices or “comps”. What a buyer and seller sold a particular item for yesterday, last week, last month is irrelevant to me. That’s them. I’m me. There really can’t be a price guide for collectibles in my mind. I may ask a fellow collector what they might value something at, but the ultimate decision to buy or sell at a particular price is mine. Sometimes, I pay over “comps” because I see something that I must own. Sometimes, I offer less than comps because that’s what I value it at.

+1

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It may be true of all memorabilia, but I think pins are especially hard to “value”…

First, you’ll have the situation of multiple ebay bidders but with only two putting in big bids. Let’s say you had last minute snipes of $132, $475 and $500. The pin will sell for $480, but without either of the high bids, it would have gone for $133. Is it really “worth” $480? We’ve all experienced what I call “that one other guy” who either beats you or costs you a lot of money. And now, with the $500 bidder out of the way, the same pin might go for significantly less if it comes up again. There have definitely been times where, in hindsight, I was glad I lost out the first time around. Some of Paul’s inflated “values” may be due to the fact he regularly dueled with another big time pin collector.

Another factor, I think, affects pin value for a team collector like myself. I often joke with my fellow Giants collectors that “after you, me and he gets one,” these pins go for peanuts. That is, after we fight among ourselves, there’s no one for the next bidder to fight with. I know a newer Giants team collector who is frustrated some pins I have are now hard to find but if he does find them he usually gets them for less than what I paid (not always).

PM-10’s may be easier to value than “team” pins but, again, I almost think their value actually goes down as the collectors who want them, get them. To me, only the super rare, “seen once every 10 years” pins can really be assigned a value. Am I making any sense?

I agree with you, and have experienced the “one other guy” scenario. Like you, there are times I was a disappointed under bidder only to be glad later to get the same type of item for a lot less because the “other guy” wasn’t bidding this time. In such scenarios, applying the concept of current market value is complicated. But the point in my post is really directed to much more commonly available pins, of which there are often multiples selling on eBay for less, sometimes quite a bit, than the listed value. It’s not a big deal to me but I point this out for newer pin collectors.