Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I've been able to open the site I. Chrome. I got a message that the site is unsecured. That's probably because it doesn't have a security certificate. But when I clicked continue anyhow, all was good.

Love the Repco info Kyle. Thanks. Any chance that you can share more of the catalog pages?

My apologies for the technical issues. Not sure if that's a Weebly problem or a Chrome/Safari/Edge issue....

Gary, I'll email you the full catalog. Anyone else?

Love seeing all those beautiful Repco pennants!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

My apologies for the technical issues. Not sure if that's a Weebly problem or a Chrome/Safari/Edge issue....

Gary, I'll email you the full catalog. Anyone else?

Love seeing all those beautiful Repco pennants!

The technical issues seem to be fixed.Phew!

I also would like to see the whole catalog. Might there be an Ohio U. example in there? Probably not….too far out on the western frontier.

edit: maybe so, on Ohio U. I see Michigan, Chicago and Cal.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

My apologies for the technical issues. Not sure if that's a Weebly problem or a Chrome/Safari/Edge issue....

Gary, I'll email you the full catalog. Anyone else?

Love seeing all those beautiful Repco pennants!

I’d also like the full catalog. Thanks Kyle!

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I’d also like the full catalog. Thanks Kyle!

Kyle, thanks for the full catalog. What an incredibly impressive, extensive, array of art work and designs. I find it remarkable how few of these designs and art have ever been found, from my experience. I image that is because since they were so short lived, much of this was created in such small numbers, if ever at all.

Do you think Langrock and Annin adopted the same or very similar artwork as Repco? I had thought this Bear Pennant was possibly Repco, since it’s their artwork - but since Cornell did not introduce the Bear as mascot until 1915, (no existence of a Bear before that), and realizing Repco ended in 1914, it’s more likely this is Langrock or Annin.

[vintagesportscollector]

I shared this pennant many years ago, but circling back again to see if anyone now recognizes the maker mark? It’s probably the most unusual and unique pennant I have. I haven’t seen another. Some may think this young lady basketball player may not be the easiest on the eyes , but I found her to me remarkably detailed and beautiful. The pennant is 35”. Looks like initials N.P. Co. Any thoughts?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I shared this pennant many years ago, but circling back again to see if anyone now recognizes the maker mark? It’s probably the most unusual and unique pennant I have. I haven’t seen another. Some may think this young lady basketball player may not be the easiest on the eyes , but I found her to me remarkably detailed and beautiful. The pennant is 35”. Looks like initials N.P. Co. Any thoughts?

N.P.Co. = National Pennant Co. of New York.

Haven't seen any other pennants by them; but there is this sun visor by them reportedly from 1937....

[Domer05]

Speaking of that distinctive Old English letter font, with the weird lower case "c" resembling an "r", check this photo out....

This ca. 1914 photo reportedly shows the 2d class barber shop aboard the RMS Olympic--which was RMS Titanic's sister ship.

Cool souvenir pennants, right? Look at the "c" in "Olympic" ... they're by Repco!

Kind of makes you wonder whether Repco ever made a Titanic version that's sitting on the bottom of the Atlantic.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

N.P.Co. = National Pennant Co. of New York.

Haven't seen any other pennants by them; but there is this sun visor by them reportedly from 1937....

Thanks! Do you know any of the NP Co. history? I was assuming this pennant was 1910-1915 based on the artwork and that the girl’s basketball team was popular then and on campus, and then seems to have disappeared for decades.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks! Do you know any of the NP Co. history? I was assuming this pennant was 1910-1915 based on the artwork and that the girl’s basketball team was popular then and on campus, and then seems to have disappeared for decades.

I know nothing about National Pennant Co., unfortunately. Just that their name appeared in commercial directories from the 1910s and 20s as a felt novelty maker.

I was thinking yours looked mid-1910s as well.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Kyle, thanks for the full catalog. What an incredibly impressive, extensive, array of art work and designs. I find it remarkable how few of these designs and art have ever been found, from my experience. I image that is because since they were so short lived, much of this was created in such small numbers, if ever at all.

Do you think Langrock and Annin adopted the same or very similar artwork as Repco? I had thought this Bear Pennant was possibly Repco, since it’s their artwork - but since Cornell did not introduce the Bear as mascot until 1915, (no existence of a Bear before that), and realizing Repco ended in 1914, it’s more likely this is Langrock or Annin.

Joe, I'm convinced your Cornell pennant is indeed by Repco. No-contrast spine + collegiate block letter outline font would be enough for me; but, additionally this bear artwork is awfully similar to "Brown bear," which was copyrighted in 1909 by Repco. See below. They used it (and several other bear/bruin/cub depictions) on many collegiate mascot pennants, so they probably just updated it a bit and used this variant on yours (in 1915, as you point out) when Cornell joined the bear family.

For more on their copyrighted works, there's a slideshow embedded within my Repco piece. To date, I've found about two dozen survivors exemplifying this terrific artwork.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Joe, I'm convinced your Cornell pennant is indeed by Repco. No-contrast spine + collegiate block letter outline font would be enough for me; but, additionally this bear artwork is awfully similar to "Brown bear," which was copyrighted in 1909 by Repco.

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

[ooo-ribay]

It seems like Joe (vintagesportscollector) is a somewhat new contributor to our group. A very welcome contributor! You (Joe) have some great pennants and insight. “Inquiring minds want to know.”

https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=in...E0a6uf3mM,st:0

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

And here we have the same bear on a Cubs (?) pennant

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

Damnet Joe! We're searching for clarity here--not mud.

Well, this is a problem isn't it.... Can I retract my initial opinion? Yours kinda has to be by Langrock, doesn't it?

As I noted earlier, the two bears--though similar--are different. See below.

It looks to me like Langrock figured out how to make a process pennant; then, made an eerily similar bear to reproduce over and over again on their collegiate pennants. And, they ripped off Repco's letter font, which apparently wasn't copyrighted.

Although we may object to such practice, legally speaking, this would be above board. More importantly, there's plenty of evidence of pennant makers mimicking their competitors' artwork throughout the 20th century, so no reason to think that's not what happened here.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

Yeah, Repco certainly could have continued making pennants past 1915. I just haven't been able to definitively date one past 1914. So yours is good evidence that perhaps they did make pennants in the latter 1910s. Good insight.