Counterfeits -- anyone having issues?

[refz]

I have a couple pre war counterfeits, (I understand in post war here but figure I’d share) I picked these up 25+ years ago forget where from and had them graded in a huge sgc submission around 2006. I was surprised then but learned this particular set m101-5 is highly forged. Strikes me funny as they both look good to me to this day. Pipp has old pencil on the back. I keep them in my Yankee box as is.

What blows me away is why would anyone want to counterfeit 60s-70s at all?

Danny

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think eventually this will be a worse problem than alteration.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think eventually this will be a worse problem than alteration.

I collect a few things besides baseball cards. Among these are cards from a TCG called Magic: The Gathering. Within that sphere, counterfeits are plentiful. However, it's not a "problem" for collectors with a basic idea of what to look for.

Counterfeiters, at least in this space, don't appear interested in perfection. They seem to instead focus on fakes that will dupe the average collector. Then they let the presses run. Kind of a "high quantity, mediocre quality" model. I'm guessing they make the most money with this approach.

Ultimately, I think the whole counterfeit vs. detection game will play out in much the same way as locks vs. lock-picking has. The counterfeits will refine their techniques, technology will evolve to detect the fakes...wash/rinse/repeat.

[OlderTheBetter]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think eventually this will be a worse problem than alteration.

I agree 100%. Printing technology keeps getting better.

[OlderTheBetter]

[QUOTEWhat blows me away is why would anyone want to counterfeit 60s-70s at all?

Danny[/QUOTE]

Because many of these hofer cards are well over $200 in decent condition. I have some Mantles that would sell for over $500 if real. Not a bad ROI if bought for $1 and sold at that price.

[Kutcher55]

I got fooled by this one below. Bought it for $15 at a show in December. When I found out it was fake I returned it to the dealer who I believe made an honest mistake and he refunded my my $. I don't think I'll be purchasing any raw pre war any time soon, although ya never know.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by OlderTheBetter

Because many of these hofer cards are well over $200 in decent condition. I have some Mantles that would sell for over $500 if real. Not a bad ROI if bought for $1 and sold at that price.

Scary! I guess we should/could stick to commons to be safe.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by refz

I have a couple pre war counterfeits, (I understand in post war here but figure I’d share) I picked these up 25+ years ago forget where from and had them graded in a huge sgc submission around 2006. I was surprised then but learned this particular set m101-5 is highly forged. Strikes me funny as they both look good to me to this day. Pipp has old pencil on the back. I keep them in my Yankee box as is.

What blows me away is why would anyone want to counterfeit 60s-70s at all?

Danny

Danny, Despite the SCG notes, those m101-5s are almost certainly not counterfeit but are instead Fritsch reprints that were sliced off at the bottom where the word reprint would have been seen. It seems beyond stupid (although possible) that one choosing to counterfeit would pick a reprint rather than the real deal as a model to copy.