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Old 03-20-2025, 04:17 PM
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If you are done with SGC, I can't imagine how
you feel about PSA...

Yes - there is that...................

Might be relegated to only adding "already slabbed"?????
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Old 03-20-2025, 04:26 PM
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Skinner was the only one close to a 6, the others appear as 3-4 prior to grading.
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Old 03-20-2025, 05:00 PM
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Skinner was the only one close to a 6, the others appear as 3-4 prior to grading.
They look good to me. What am I missing?

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Old 03-20-2025, 05:44 PM
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Little things that matter, the ink mark and very light corner wear. They are nice cards but not quite up to the scrutiny of the TPG's. I start with a stack and review it several times before submitting, under various lighting, etc. before paring it down to only the strongest candidates and even then I miss some, everyone does. I got a blazing 1952 Topps Look n' See Roosevelt back with a 2, upon further review it had a surface wrinkle right across the middle of it.
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The most aggravating part is that if you look at cards they themselves graded 5-10 years ago, you'll see their criteria was vastly different. Yesterday's "5" is quite often inferior to today's "3". I've seen it hundreds of times with both SGC and PSA.

They've both moved the goalposts at least 2 full points over the past decade. And they punish severely for off-centering, but not at all for poor focus/registration. Both traits are original to the card, yet they only penalize for centering.... DUMB! To me, a blurry, dizzying image is far more detrimental to the card than its centering. A crisp image is central to the card's actual subject matter, whereas the centering is not.

Unfortunately there is no viable alternative, unless you take a chance with CGC. Their slabs are nice but the marketplace has not yet embraced them. IMHO, Collectors' monopolistic acquisition of SGC was the worst thing to happen to the hobby since the FBI decided to bow out of the Card Alteration scandal. Tons of altered cards still reside in PSA Numbered slabs. It all makes for a strong temptation to stick with just raw cards.
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I think you should care less about what the number says and more about how the card presents itself.
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They would have been either 6s or 5s in the old days.
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I think you should care less about what the number says and more about how the card presents itself.
Most people who pay for opinions frequently feel the opposite.
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I think you should care less about what the number says and more about how the card presents itself.
I agree. And submitters' complaints about their cards being undergraded are tiresome. What I'd like to see is more threads on cards that PSA/SGC have ridiculously overgraded because the companies ignore toning.

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Might be relegated to only adding "already slabbed"?????
as the old saying goes…it’s wise to let another fool spend his money on grading fees!…aka…lots of great deals on eBay from people that spent the money to grade cards but now are selling their “misses” for less than the processing fee! Meaning… lots of cheap already graded cards are on eBay!
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as the old saying goes…it’s wise to let another fool spend his money on grading fees!…aka…lots of great deals on eBay from people that spent the money to grade cards but now are selling their “misses” for less than the processing fee! Meaning… lots of cheap already graded cards are on eBay!
Amen!
I love picking up clean cards at pennies on the dollar
for TPG's undergraded or slightly altered cards

Got this for less then the grading fee & a HOF'er to boot

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