Let’s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

[Johnphotoman]

toppcat, You are right, sometimes it’s the trivial details that can trip us up! It is the finer points, take the D216 cards of Hopalong Cassidy I posted; The facts or details for all intended purposes were printed by Topps, but issued by Bond Bread, thereby they are a “D” cards. On the other hand the “W” cards especially the W571 cards have no connection to Bond Bread, you are right that the W571 cards have nothing to do with Hopalong Cassidy cards. But now and then you will see these cards listed as “W” cards. John

[Johnphotoman]

I guess I should not say Topps did actually print the D216 cards but licensed them to Bond Bread, I do not believe Topps printed cards in the 1950, I believe Topps used Lord Baltimore Press for most of their printing at this time. toppcat, I defer to you about the printing of Topps cards, I know you know a lot more about this than me. I remember seeing your post, about Printing of Topps Cards Pre-1965. John

[Johnphotoman]

Forget the "Lone Ranger" cards: Bond Bread did include "Lone Ranger" cards in their bread packaging as part of a promotional campaign. Bond Bread, launched a promotional campaign in the 1940s that included inserting "Lone Ranger" cards into their bread loaves. "Lone Ranger" Cards: featured images and information about the popular radio and television character, The Lone Ranger, and his sidekick, Tonto. I do not know how these cards are classified, but should be "D" cards. Images are from 1997. John

[Pat R]

January 15 1989 New Jersey newpaper clipping.

Bond Bread Warehouse find The_Record_1989_01_15_211.jpg

[Johnphotoman]

Thank you Pat R, great work as usual. The BCS letter from butchie_t and
CardPadre and now this newspaper clipping sure proves Staley Apfelbaum, president of BCS, was a hustler and a conman. Although he was good at persuading people into believing something that is not true, there is good news for people who brought cards from BCS:

You can trust that what you have are not fake, he may have tricked you into buying the cards for more money than the cards were worth at the time. That's the con, or deception; That was the hustler in him. Yes he did embellish the truth about the cards, even to the point where he changed his own story to hustler and con people into buying cards from BCS.

The good news is most of his story is true, as I said, he embellished the truth. Stop and think, all good conman use the truth to deceive. I look at it like this; it is like buying a car, the salesman told you white lies to sell you a car, all to get you to pay more money then you could have paid somewhere else, the car is still the same car, you just paid more money then you could have.

Comparing the letters from BCS and the newspaper clipping facts:

All three say the cards are from 1947, we have proof of this, in fact they could have been out circa 1940s.
The cards offered were the ones we call Bond Bread W571, square corned cards type.
The cards were found in a warehouse, yes that is true.
The widow of the person who found the cards put them up for sale circa 1980s. Yes, this is true.
In the warehouse find, there were 48 cards to a set.
BCS only sold half the sets, a 24 card set.

Not a fact- Apfelbaum only saw one complete set, and that set was piece together. There were many complete sets around.
Not a fact-the cards were included in every loaves of bread, the square cut cards were never put in Bond Bread, in fact have nothing to do with Bond Bread.
Apfelbaum said: it was a Real estate broker who found the cards, who owned a former Bond Bread Warehouse, near the Brooklyn Waterfront.
Apfelbaum said: a real estate agent came across the cards and brought them all, notice this person came across the cards, he did not own a warehouse that once belonged to Bond Bread.
Apfelbaum said: A famous collector discovered the cards in a warehouse, and snatched up all the cards.

The joke is on Apfelbaum, because you brought the W571 cards from him, you own a piece of baseball history, and you have a story to tell how you received your cards. I would be more than happy to have brought cards from BCS. If you were one of the people who keep these cards my hat goes off to you. You have what many of us, cannot, yes we can own the W571 cards but not from BCS, that have their own baseball history along with general baseball card history from the W571 card set. John

[toppcat]

This thread is pretty amazing. I just went back to make sure I hadn't posted this SCD Jan 22 1993 article before, so here it is.

[Johnphotoman]

Thank you Toppcat, you did post it in Ted Z thread. As anyone can see the article backs up the proof that has been given for the square cut W571 cards in this thread. I tried to post it, but it was to big or you could not read it, Thank you again it is a great post. I tried to post it in post #186, if you miss that post you should go back and read it. From that post on, most of the posts are tied to the Sports Collectors Digest article. John