Let’s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by toppcat

I think that's just the bread end labels.

I think you are right. But how about the cards do they get "D" or "W" classification?

[Johnphotoman]

I did some digging into the American Card Catalog, but I am still a bit confused. In the context of the American Card Catalog, "W" designates as strip cards or exhibit cards/postcards. But Jefferson Burdick, the author of the American Card Catalog, originally used this category for "album" cards, which encompassed a broader range. I'm still not sure what that covers.

I look up album cards-"album cards" typically refer to photocards, or small, collectible cards featuring images of the artists, that are randomly included within album packages. So how did “W” get the designates of strip cards, exhibit cards and postcards.

I ask this question because of the Hopalong Cassidy cards. Hopalong Cassidy Bond Bread cards were printed by Topps, not to be confused with Topps Hopalong Cassidy cards: Topps issued their own set of the 1950 Topps Hopalong Cassidy cards. Which had 230 cards in the set and eight print foil cards into their packs. The set is divided into ten different stories. The fronts feature photographs from the show and the backs have descriptions of the episodes. Topps Bond Bread were issued in Bond Bread and had Bond Bread advertising on them.

Anyway, which destination does the Bond Bread cards get, I say “D” because they are Bakery cards. But I have seen them as W cards, which makes no sense. I just do not understand the “W” designation on any cards. This all leads me into my next post. John

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

I ask this question because of the Hopalong Cassidy cards. Hopalong Cassidy Bond Bread cards were printed by Topps, not to be confused with Topps Hopalong Cassidy cards: Topps issued their own set of the 1950 Topps Hopalong Cassidy cards. Which had 230 cards in the set and eight print foil cards into their packs. The set is divided into ten different stories. The fronts feature photographs from the show and the backs have descriptions of the episodes. Topps Bond Bread were issued in Bond Bread and had Bond Bread advertising on them.

I've never seen anything tying Topps to the larger Bond Bread branded Hoppy's. I have to question if that's accurate, although happy to be proven wrong and I may have confused you with how I posted those ACC images.

Side note-The Topps Hoppy's reissued in those Bond Bread penny packs should just be designated R712-2 IMO, they have no additional markings than those from Topps. W571 does not refer to the Hoppy's at all, I posted that in respect of the smaller B&W 24/48 sports card sets. The Hoppy "Ways of the West" cards are D89 (with two different style fronts, one that takes up the entire bottom quarter of the card with a color Bond Bread ad (-a), then the the one style shown above, which is -b) while Hoppy bread end labels are designated as D290-8. I'm not sure about the sizing of D89 in the ACC, described as 2" x 3". That sizing may have picked up the F278-12 Post Cereal Hoppy's, which were color illustrations on cards near that size. There's also the blank backed color Bond Bread branded Hoppy's with facsimile greetings and autograph, that seem to be PC sized, it seems they were a premium offering. Watson's Non-Sports Bible has these as D126 but that was not a listing n the 1960 ACC and I can't find it in Barker's updates, although I only skimmed them just now. NSB does not show sizes for the non-Topps Bond Hoppy's.

"Modern" cards in the ACC, meaning issued since WW2 ended, were often given short shrift in the ACC as most of the editors had disdain for them and they missed many widely available issues, although Buck Barker's Updates from 1960-72 did a pretty good job of picking up the stragglers and in monitoring contemporary sets.

[Johnphotoman]

Thank you , toppcat. It’s not about being proven wrong, it is about the facts. It is a fact that you have never seen anything tying Topps to the larger Bond Bread branded Hoppy's. But here are the links where I did find the information.

From: Dave's Vintage Non Sports cards!!
“A very early Topps issue, the 1950 Topps Hopalong Cassidy cards features William Boyd! There are 230 cards in the set and eight rare short print foil cards were also inserted randomly into the packs. The set is divided into ten different stories. The fronts feature photographs from the show and the backs have descriptions of the episodes. A very popular Topps issue.”

From: Dean's Cards! 1950 Hopalong Cassidy: “The 1950 Hopalong Cassidy Set contains 230 cards of the popular cinema & TV cowboy, played by William Boyd. The set was issued by Topps, in two-card panels. Each card measures 2 1/16" x 2 5/8" and is perforated on one side. There are also 8 short-printed foil inserts that are not considered part of the standard set. The cards of the 1950 Hopalong Cassidy set tell 10 different stories, which are easily differentiated by the color of the scene.”

From: The Topps Archives!
Then there was the massive cross-promotion between Topps and Bond Bread that put Hoppy cards in bread loaves in most states east of the Mississippi. Bond also had Hoppy bread end labels that had nothing to do with Topps:

https://www.gfg.com/nonsports/hopalongcassidy.shtml

https://www.deanscards.com/c/3488/19...U1ZM2V-PxQSMOU

https://www.thetoppsarchives.com/2023/09/

John

[toppcat]

Topps Archives is my blog, in fact. I'm a little confused still by your wording on the larger cards but no matter, it seems the ACC and NSB are too!

[Johnphotoman]

Yes, I understood - The Topps Archives was your blog, great blog by the way. I was just saying where I did get my information. On the larger cards, I was talking about the cards I have, the blank backed color Bond Bread. I see there would be D126, which measures 3 ¼x5 ½. Question the The Hoppy "Ways of the West" cards that are D89 , were they printed by Toops? I also believe my wording on the larger cards were about the D89 cards. John

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Yes, I understood - The Topps Archives was your blog, great blog by the way. I was just saying where I did get my information. On the larger cards, I was talking about the cards I have, the blank backed color Bond Bread. I see there would be D126, which measures 3 ¼x5 ½. Question the The Hoppy "Ways of the West" cards that are D89 , were they printed by Toops? I also believe my wording on the larger cards were about the D89 cards. John

I don't think Topps was involved with Ways of the West. Hoppy was one of the most marketed characters at the time and there were dozens, if not hundreds, of licensed products. I haven't found a source for the D126 classification-can you post it as I'd like to add it to my Hoppy files. As noted, I may have missed in the ACC Updates.