1955-1970 Topps Virtual Series Sheets

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by ncal88

Has anyone started work on the 1958 Series 1 sheet?

I’m working on building the master set and the yellow variations have intrigued me.

I have found some successful pairings from miscuts I can post if anyone else is interested in working on it with me.

There's all sorts of weirdness in 1958, capped by the four high numbers being (partially) pulled to allow for the Triple Printing of the Mantle and Musial AS cards. I've sometimes wondered if they had some sort of progressive printing in '58, where some cards from the current series would be subbed out for others from the next as printing went on through each series. I'm not talking about the checklist and series lagging stuff they pulled in the sixties but true sub-outs and new press runs.

And I'm not sure if this helps or not but Sam Rosen, who was Woody Gelman's stepfather and surely had the SP/DP info to pass to him, had this unique pricing breakdown in his July 1958 sales list:

[ncal88]

Originally Posted by toppcat

There's all sorts of weirdness in 1958, capped by the four high numbers being (partially) pulled to allow for the Triple Printing of the Mantle and Musial AS cards. I've sometimes wondered if they had some sort of progressive printing in '58, where some cards from the current series would be subbed out for others from the next as printing went on through each series. I'm not talking about the checklist and series lagging stuff they pulled in the sixties but true sub-outs and new press runs.

And I'm not sure if this helps or not but Sam Rosen, who was Woody Gelman's stepfather and surely had the SP/DP info to pass to him, had this unique pricing breakdown in his July 1958 sales list:

Thank you for replying! I was actually reading through your blog before I posted. I appreciate all the info you provided there.

So far, here are some of the pairings found in series 1. Interestingly, Billy Klaus is #89 and Clemente is #52 so they were printed together. Clemente is also next to Eddie Kasko #8.

Lee Walls #66 is next to George Kell #40 based on the stats on the back

Al Kaline #70 is next to Billy hunter #98.

[Cliff Bowman]

Here are the known partial sheets.

[ncal88]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Here are the known partial sheets.

Oh wow! Thank you so much for this. I had been looking for it. I notice the first one has the yellow variations.

[ncal88]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Here are the known partial sheets.

I had found this miscut earlier of Duke Snider which appears to show a red background below but your images have him above a yellow and a green.

Also, do you think introduction of the 33 yellow variations reduced the print run of the 33 base versions counterparts?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ncal88

I had found this miscut earlier of Duke Snider which appears to show a red background below but your images have him above a yellow and a green.

Also, do you think introduction of the 33 yellow variations reduced the print run of the 33 base versions counterparts?

Kevin and I have found so many row changes on 1958 1st Series cards that there is no way they made only two 132 card slits, we suspect they made four or maybe even six different 132 card slits. We reconstructed the three missing rows of 33 cards but there hasn’t been a virtual sheet made of them yet.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Kevin and I have found so many row changes on 1958 1st Series cards that there is no way they made only two 132 card slits, we suspect they made four or maybe even six different 132 card slits. We reconstructed the three missing rows of 33 cards but there hasn’t been a virtual sheet made of them yet.

I wonder now if Topps reconfigured stuff to put in more LA/SF players in the packs as each series spread west. They seem to have been able to move rows around pretty easily, just not sure if any of the "extra" arrays you mention would reflect this possibility. I think they may have done something a little similar in 1954 and 1955 but more to make it seems like there were more cards than there actually were than whatever occurred in '58.

[Kevvyg1026]

Yes, Snider is above Zimmer in one partial, then above Burdette in another, and the miscut you are referring to also places him above Porter.

There is also a miscut Landis (same row as Snider) which is above Virgil (same row as Porter). This is why Cliff mentioned that the slit patterns of series 1 are difficult to reconstruct, and make it appear as if there were multiple (different) sheets.

Similar oddities are present for the Dodger team card in this series, as well. And series 5, which only has five different rows, also displays multiple row switches.

[deweyinthehall]

Cliff and Kevvy have done the work on this one...

[ncal88]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Cliff and Kevvy have done the work on this one...

Thank you so much for these!

I love seeing the sheets together.

Can you send me the progress on the series 1 slits that you’re working on?