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Old 02-24-2025, 08:24 PM
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As more and more people open their minds to things other than topps/bowman (very common cards) they realize their own collections are very streamlined and in some ways not unique. Of course there is no problem with that. But for people who eventually get those thoughts, the general next step is going for memorabilia that is unique, scarce, rare.
Pre war you will see has adopted this thought process decades ago, getting pre rookie or early hof material of pre war greats is almost impossible and if possible you seriously have to be a millionaire to consider collecting.

As it is now, in particular 50s and 60s pre rookie issues are in my opinion extremely undervalued. And many multiple 100 times rarer than their rookie standard counterparts.

I'll give one quick example of one of the craziest. Stan Musials M114, an issue of one of the top 5 best hitters of all time that is 5 years before his "rookie card" goes for under $200 and often times under $100. That is comical. You can get original photos that are many times one of a kind for a fraction of a topps rookie card that quite literally is a dime a dozen.
Wow that is crazy. I know nothing about that era minor league stuff. I have collected a lot of 80s, early 90s and some Tobacco card minor league stuff and it is mostly more than their rookies.
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For modern minor league cards, a lot depends on the pool of player collectors once you get into junk wax era and beyond.

Rarity doesn't always matter, but rarity starts to actually matter at a certain point of number of collectors and the price starts to show up.

It seems elementary and "no duh" and all that, but there's a huge amount of people that will buy a RC that don't care about a player's minor league "RC" in comparison.

Personally experienced example, Mark Grace's 1986 Peoria card in NM/M+ condition could easily be picked up for $5-ish after the junk wax era died. It stayed that way for a very long time. During the recent COVID era hobby resurgence the card not only went up in price, it went up in popularity enough that you're looking at $35-40 for a raw copy in that kind of shape and a premium for graded examples. Almost everything spiked in price during this era, but not everything got a 7-8x value jump. The number of people wanting one finally caught up to the availability.

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For modern minor league cards, a lot depends on the pool of player collectors once you get into junk wax era and beyond.

Rarity doesn't always matter, but rarity starts to actually matter at a certain point of number of collectors and the price starts to show up.

It seems elementary and "no duh" and all that, but there's a huge amount of people that will buy a RC that don't care about a player's minor league "RC" in comparison.

Personally experienced example, Mark Grace's 1986 Peoria card in NM/M+ condition could easily be picked up for $5-ish after the junk wax era died. It stayed that way for a long very long time. During the recent COVID era hobby resurgence the card not only went up in price, it went up in popularity enough that you're looking at $35-40 for a raw copy in that kind of shape and a premium for graded examples. Almost everything spiked in price during this era, but not everything got a 7-8x value jump. The number of people wanting one finally caught up to the availability.
And this is exactly the dynamic that I've seen a bit of as well.

When I returned to the hobby, I was quickly turned off by modern players having what seemed like hundreds of cards with the "RC" logo. So I found it fun to do a little bit of work (and it really isn't all that much work to use Google) to find those players' first minor league cards.

At the time of printing, these guys were not even prospects, and the manufacturers kind of have a junior varsity feel about them -- so definitionally, very low print runs.

A Mookie Betts 2014 Topps Heritage in PSA 10 (population of about 1,000) sells for $300. In contrast, I'd be surprised if there are more than 500 Mookie Betts Lowell Spinners cards printed in total. The price has already moved up on those cards, but it's more like the Mark Grace that you describe.

I get Peter's point that the market is what it is, and there is no why. But as a collector (if not an investor), I find the Lowell card irresistibly more interesting.
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