Hobby Hustle Documentary 2-16-25

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

I don’t think anything is safe with third party autographs except for those items people know for a fact were signed by athletes. Assume that’s why we always have to remember authenticated autographs or just an opinion.

We probably staring at the tip of an autographed card scandal. Plus it’s not all by scrupulous people. It’s been known for decades that famous athletes such as Willie Mays had their wives signed check, letters, and autographs. Then we hear stories about operational bullpen, the recent alleged Jason Kelce signing scandal w/ a Beckett employee involved.

This is why I stayed away from signed vintage for as long as I did. I've always thought it was hilarious that people think anyone, even the best, can determine with any sort of accuracy at all whether or not a signature is authentic. I would love to see a confusion matrix from a large sample of known authentic and fake autos. I think it would blow everyone's minds.

Bad fakes are obviously easy to detect. I'm sure some signatures are difficult to duplicate, but I'd wager good money that a large percentage of the people reading this thread could duplicate a Mickey Mantle signature after practicing it for an hour and could get it past authentication nearly every time. I know he signed a lot, but I don't think he signed nearly as much as what's out there today. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that half of all signed Mantle cards are fake.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'd wager good money that a large percentage of the people reading this thread could duplicate a Mickey Mantle signature after practicing it for an hour and could get it past authentication nearly every time.

Please tell me you're simply pulling our legs with that statement. As someone who has spent nearly his entire life in the study of vintage baseball autographs, I really want to believe that's the case.

If you were serious, and I pray you weren't, perhaps you may wish to conduct that experiment yourself and see how you fare. I would definitely advise against that, but it would certainly be interesting.

[notfast]

Doc was horrible. It was basically a bunch of random YouTube videos loosely tied together.

The guy at the end signing the whiteboard was bad. Those autos wouldn’t pass any authentication and most weren’t even close.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Please tell me you're simply pulling our legs with that statement. As someone who has spent nearly his entire life in the study of vintage baseball autographs, I really want to believe that's the case.

If you were serious, and I pray you weren't, perhaps you may wish to conduct that experiment yourself and see how you fare. I would definitely advise against that, but it would certainly be interesting.

Yes, that is my honest take. I think a lot of people could easily forge an autograph and get it through at both PSA and JSA. And no, I'm not going to try. Although it sounds like they wouldn't be able to get one past you, which is quite impressive.

Originally Posted by notfast

Doc was horrible. It was basically a bunch of random YouTube videos loosely tied together.

That's exactly how I felt when watching it too. I think they used every minute of footage they had. The was no cutting room floor.

[balltrash]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Bad fakes are obviously easy to detect. I'm sure some signatures are difficult to duplicate, but I'd wager good money that a large percentage of the people reading this thread could duplicate a Mickey Mantle signature after practicing it for an hour and could get it past authentication nearly every time. I know he signed a lot, but I don't think he signed nearly as much as what's out there today. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that half of all signed Mantle cards are fake.

Standing offer of $500 cash to any member of this board who can forge a Mickey Mantle autograph and get it authenticated by PSA, JSA, or Beckett. Forward me a video of you doing the forging and the piece after it is authenticated and it will evidently be the easiest money you have ever made given that it should only take an hour to perfect.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by balltrash

Standing offer of $500 cash to any member of this board who can forge a Mickey Mantle autograph and get it authenticated by PSA, JSA, or Beckett. Forward me a video of you doing the forging and the piece after it is authenticated and it will evidently be the easiest money you have ever made given that it should only take an hour to perfect.

$500 and a decade prison sentence.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

$500 and a decade prison sentence.

Provided the piece was never sold as genuine, no crime would have actually been committed.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Provided the piece was never sold as genuine, no crime would have actually been committed.

Simple search on Google said this.

Yes, forging autographs on sports memorabilia, even if you don't intend to sell them, is generally considered illegal as it constitutes a form of fraud, as you are still creating a false representation of someone else's signature, which can be punishable by law depending on your jurisdiction; meaning simply creating a fake autograph, regardless of the intent to sell, can still be considered a crime.

Half of n54 seem to be lawyers. Maybe they know more.

But I'd imagine if you filled a warehouse up with forged autographs but never sold any that you'd still be in some big trouble.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Simple search on Google said this.

Yes, forging autographs on sports memorabilia, even if you don't intend to sell them, is generally considered illegal as it constitutes a form of fraud, as you are still creating a false representation of someone else's signature, which can be punishable by law depending on your jurisdiction; meaning simply creating a fake autograph, regardless of the intent to sell, can still be considered a crime.

Half of n54 seem to be lawyers. Maybe they know more.

But I'd imagine if you filled a warehouse up with forged autographs but never sold any that you'd still be in some big trouble.

If that is indeed the case, then my sincere apologies. I was employing logic over consulting the law, so mea culpa.