David Hall talks about The Wagner

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

I must admit that I’m a bit puzzled about this quest you keep coming back to on this issue. While I get your argument, it seems like an odd battle to keep fighting, and an even odder hill to choose to die on.

But maybe you’re convinced that Mastro didn’t actually trim the card?

If he did trim the card, then the precise details of how the legal system adjudicated it seems like a rather picayune element to spend so much time fighting over.

Travis is like the Terminator, he keeps coming back.

[campyfan39]

You have THIRTY THOUSAND more posts than him, so I would say you "keep coming around" a little more often

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Travis is like the Terminator, he keeps coming back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

You have THIRTY THOUSAND more posts than him, so I would say you "keep coming around" a little more often

Never mind, high road.

[whiteymet]

The funny thing is once Mastro admitted to cutting the Wagner Hall banned him from ever being able to submit a card to be graded by PSA!

[jchcollins]

The public comments that I've seen from David Hall on that particular Wagner have always struck me as ludicrous.

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

Really? This guy was supposedly the world's foremost expert on the T206 set; at one time had the world's most complete master set with nearly all known back variations. If anyone in the world has seen it all in terms of legit factory sizes, how trimming or sheet cut cards from that set are supposed to look - it's David Hall.

So that is the expertise of grading, that's why we should send our cards to his newly formed (at the time) company to have them encapsulated?

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

Gee, I'm just overwhelmed by the wealth of technical information about sizing, the minutiae about the cut and appearance of the paper, the myriad reasons why it might be a legit factory cut, the fantastic overall detail in the opinion presented by PSA.

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

(Unbelievable).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

The public comments that I've seen from David Hall on that particular Wagner have always struck me as ludicrous.

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

Really? This guy was supposedly the world's foremost expert on the T206 set; at one time had the world's most complete master set with nearly all known back variations. If anyone in the world has seen it all in terms of legit factory sizes, how trimming or sheet cut cards from that set are supposed to look - it's David Hall.

So that is the expertise of grading, that's why we should send our cards to his newly formed (at the time) company to have them encapsulated?

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

Gee, I'm just overwhelmed by the wealth of technical information about sizing, the minutiae about the cut and appearance of the paper, the myriad reasons why it might be a legit factory cut, the fantastic overall detail in the opinion presented by PSA.

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

(Unbelievable).

The truth is he knows it was trimmed but he doesn't care. He doesn't think there's anything wrong with trimming cards. I assume he's a trimmer himself.

[perezfan]

Just a big PSA publicity stunt to get some eyeballs on their corrupt new (at the time) company. Very fitting that their first-ever submission was fraudulent.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The truth is he knows it was trimmed but he doesn't care. He doesn't think there's anything wrong with trimming cards. I assume he's a trimmer himself.

I don't doubt it at this point given all that has come out. Hall is the one generally credited with successfully migrating the concept of the coin grading business over into the world of sportscards. I'm quite sure he was no stranger to shenanigans, even then...

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

The funny thing is once Mastro admitted to cutting the Wagner Hall banned him from ever being able to submit a card to be graded by PSA!

Yes. Because David Hall hated being exposed himself.

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Gee, I'm just overwhelmed by the wealth of technical information about sizing, the minutiae about the cut and appearance of the paper, the myriad reasons why it might be a legit factory cut, the fantastic overall detail in the opinion presented by PSA.

"It doesn't look trimmed to me."

(Unbelievable).

I believe it. He didn't care. He just wanted to launch his "grading" company with a big splash.