1966 Topps 6th Series/Semi-Hi's

[Cliff Bowman]

I found this miscut Dennis Bennett in eBay's sold items, it looks like the red of a Dodger/Yankee but there aren't any of those really available. It would make sense if it is orange and it is Hoyt Wilhelm above him.

[deweyinthehall]

My first guess would be a White Sox/Cub, but like you say it could also be Dodger/Yankee.

Notice the reverse miscut...not a sliver of the salmon color, yet the full right edge of the black border and, I think, clear specks of white indicating we're seeing the full thickness and it is one of the thinner borders.

I went through all available (to my counting) Dodgers/Yankees AND White Sox Cubs, and could find no card that had the offset of the salmon from the black to this degree, to include Wilhelm which shows a slight offset. Then I went through ALL the Yankees/Dodgers and Cubs/White Sox just for kicks - it could only be two. The first is Don Buford, but he is safely ensconced elsewhere. The other is Steve Hamilton, but I don't think there is any way any of us think we could have messed up the right edge so badly.

What if we expanded a bit - is there any chance the card above Bennett could be, like Bennett, a pink Red Sox or Pirate? Because Bob Bailey would fit that reverse miscut perfectly, IMHO. With the color issues observed on a couple of those Aaron's I posted a couple weeks ago, can it be out of the question?

[Kevvyg1026]

I sincerely hope that it is a color shift, and that Bennett is below Wilhelm (which is where I tentatively placed him). Otherwise, I have to blow up everything about this layout and start again from scratch. LOL

[deweyinthehall]

That would be perfect - but all the copies of Wilhelm I have seen don't have what seems to be this great an offset between salmon and black.

[Kevvyg1026]

Bailey has a pirate or red sox above him, so I don't think it's Bailey.

If the yellow is shifted upward, that violet or pink color eould be observed, so i think it's Wilhelm. And i have seen examples, not only of Wilhelm, but other cub or white sox, with such a shift, and the the violet/pink is evident.

[Cliff Bowman]

If not for the Indian/Phillie being above Steve Barber we would be down to a few 3x cards, Bearnarth, Cardenal, and Pirates Rookie Stars. I wish I didn’t find that Barber miscut .

[Kevvyg1026]

Cliff - the sweetest fruit is not always the easiest to pick. lol

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I found this miscut Dennis Bennett in eBay's sold items, it looks like the red of a Dodger/Yankee but there aren't any of those really available. It would make sense if it is orange and it is Hoyt Wilhelm above him.

Here is a color shifted TJ. I realize it's not Wilhelm, but I think the same principle applies. The yellow is higher than normal and we see the pink/violet below.

1966_486_color_shift.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Larry Bearnarth is above George Banks. Banks is above Lenny Green. Now if we only knew who is above Bearnarth and under Green...

[Cliff Bowman]

I think I might have found who is above Larry Bearnarth but it isn't who I was expecting, Eddie Stanky. ETA it can't be Bobby Bragan because it is a regular player card under Stanky.

[Cliff Bowman]

These were already pretty much confirmed but I don't think we had good scans of them, Cubs Rookie Stars above Tony Gonzalez and Joe Moeller above Cubs Rookie Stars.

[deweyinthehall]

I may need to step away for a while and start from scratch. Is there any way the card under Woodeshick might NOT be a yellow? Perhaps a light green of the Orioles or Astros? When you blow the image up, the card underneath looks less obviously yellow.

Here's why I ask - this Klippstein clearly has a yellow underneath him, right?

I am far less along than Cliff or Kevvy because on the spreadsheet I keep I only use actual known miscuts - I haven't gotten to filling in gaps based upon card counts, etc.

When I looked again at the Klippstein (who I have in a column with Blefary, Wyatt, Cannizzaro, Belinsky and John) and tried to match it with another yellow not yet assigned to ANY partial column, my two choices were Woodeshick and McAuliffe. I knew it couldn't be Woodeshick because with a yellow beneath him there couldn't be 2 yellows in that completed column. So it HAD to be McAuliffe.

But one of the only horizontal miscuts we have is McAuliffe on the same row as Klippstein!

So again - could the card beneath Woodeshick be a light green? If so, Blefary would match and I can sleep tonight.

[Cliff Bowman]

I'm glad you showed that miscut of Klippstein. I had forgotten about it so I looked at mine and I also have a scan of the back, it shows two lines of the stats that extend toward the left. I compared it to the back of a Tommy John and it's a perfect match. I think that confirms Tommy John under Johnny Klippstein. We have Klippstein in the 4x Gonzalez row so that means there has to be a 4x under Klippstein, which John is and John has a Twin/Red above him from the miscut. The row structure goes

4x Aaron
3x Moeller
3x Cubs Rookie Stars
4x Gonzalez
4x Nuxhall
3x Fox
3x Skinner

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I think I might have found who is above Larry Bearnarth but it isn't who I was expecting, Eddie Stanky. ETA it can't be Bobby Bragan because it is a regular player card under Stanky.

It is Bearnarth - the distinctive gap between the black border and the left upper corner of the color band is consistent with his cards.