Surprising baseball facts

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Not that surprising to me. Cueto was on all those winning Giants teams. Sale has been on not great teams for most of his career

Edit, looked it up: only a couple of playoff years with the Giants, actually. Some of his Reds teams were good though, too.

He had an 18 win season when he first pitched for them, but then only won 21 the next five years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Of pitchers 30 and younger, the leader is Max Fried with .. wait for it ... 73. Once the old guard as it were of Verlander, Kerhshaw, and Scherzer get in, and Cole and Sale either do or don't, there is going to be a radical shift in what it means to be a HOF pitcher.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Of pitchers 30 and younger, the leader is Max Fried with .. wait for it ... 73. Once the old guard as it were of Verlander, Kerhshaw, and Scherzer get in, and Cole and Sale either do or don't, there is going to be a radical shift in what it means to be a HOF pitcher.

Fewer wins and innings! It wouldn't surprise me if they change the win stat somehow in the coming years. I hope they don't but with Manfred you never know.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...radical shift in what it means to be a HOF pitcher.

"...this legendary hurler had an incredible 3,005 innings in his Hall of Fame career, twice eclipsing the unthinkable mark of 200 in a season. He was the last pitcher to win over 100 games; his astounding total of 112 is unlikely to ever be reached again. He also holds the modern career record for complete games (7) and is the last pitcher to record a nine-inning no-hitter. He was the first pitcher to record over 4,000 rpm on a pitched ball, having done this between his third and fourth Tommy John surgeries..."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Eric72

"...this legendary hurler had an incredible 3,005 innings in his Hall of Fame career, twice eclipsing the unthinkable mark of 200 in a season. He was the last pitcher to win over 100 games; his astounding total of 112 is unlikely to ever be reached again. He also holds the modern career record for complete games (7) and is the last pitcher to record a nine-inning no-hitter. He was the first pitcher to record over 4,000 rpm on a pitched ball, having done this between his third and fourth Tommy John surgeries..."

You'll have dudes hitting 120 on the gun with 25 pitch counts.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Chet Lemon has the same career OBP and very nearly the same WAR as Ichiro.

[packs]

Many people would be surprised to know that Carlton Fisk led the American League in triples in 1972 with 9. No other catcher has led either league in triples since.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Chet Lemon has the same career OBP and very nearly the same WAR as Ichiro.

Same with Darrell Evans I believe and his OPS+ was significantly better.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Chet Lemon has the same career OBP and very nearly the same WAR as Ichiro.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Same with Darrell Evans I believe and his OPS+ was significantly better.

Of course, Ichiro didn't play in the MLB until he was 27. If he had, his WAR would definitely be higher but his OBP and OPS+ might be around the same or maybe a little better.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Same with Darrell Evans I believe and his OPS+ was significantly better.

I was going more apples to apples for position, and people talk about Darrell Evans being underrated, never heard Chet Lemon brought up!