1966 Topps 6th Series/Semi-Hi's

[Cliff Bowman]

Updated, I think that has to be an Angel/Brave above Wynn rather than an Indian/Phillie.

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - ???????? - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

[Cliff Bowman]

Lenny Green and Phil Linz are side by side on a 4x row, Green has an Indian/Phillie above him and Linz has a Senator/Giant above him, I am confident that George Banks is above Green and Lindy McDaniel is above Linz because Banks and McDaniel are side by side.

[Cliff Bowman]

Yankees Rookie Stars has a Twin/Red above it, so that means it has to be under either Rollins or McCool, I compared the Yankees Rookies to both and it matches McCool because the left tip of the blue has the tail that matches the Yankees Rookies miscut.

[Cliff Bowman]

The only Pirates/Red Sox remaining for the the card to the right of Stigman are Lenny Green and Roy Face, I concluded that it is Face because minor print anomalies on the pink match up and there isn't room for three consecutive new columns, I believe one missing column is to the left of the cluster and two are to the right of the cluster, I am not including the left edge column or the right edge column.

[Cliff Bowman]

Thanks to dewey linking Coleman to Red Sox Rookies there is this six card combo.

***Gibbon*** - *Hannan*
******l**********l****
Braves Rookies - Schofield
******l***********l***
**Coleman*** - Red Sox Rookies

[Cliff Bowman]

There is a three card vertical run of

**Barber*
***l***
Roznovsky
***l***
*Kline*

Barber has an Indian/Phillie above him which can only be Sam McDowell or Phil Linz after the others have been eliminated. I compared the blown up miscut to McDowell and Linz and it is Linz, McDowell has print anomalies that aren't present on the Barber miscut. That creates a run of

**Banks** - McDaniel
***l**********l***
**Green* - **Linz**
***l*********l***
????????? - *Barber*
***l*********l****
????????? - Roznovsky
***l*********l****
????????? - **Kline**

[Cliff Bowman]

3x Wes Covington has an Indian/Phillie above him, there are two possible ones left, Sam McDowell and John O'Donoghue. The miscut matched up with O'Donoghue and is definitely not McDowell so that puts Covington under O'Donoghue.

[Cliff Bowman]

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - Friend - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

I believe there are seven more 4x cards, Bragan, Face, Gibbon, Hannan, Stanky, Stigman, Wilhelm, and there are seven open slots in the three 4x rows, Aaron, Gonzalez, Nuxhall, the problem is there is no way to fit in the remaining combos and meet the other requirements in the current layout. If dewey is right about Coleman being to the left of Red Sox Rookies then there is a six card block of

Gibbon - Hannan
Braves Rookies - Schofield
Coleman - Red Sox Rookies

plus Red Sox Rookies has a Rookie Stars card to its right. Then there is a two card combo of Stigman-Face on a 4x row. I probably have at least one column in the wrong spot.

[deweyinthehall]

I believe Gordy Coleman has to be over either O'Donoghue or Phil Linz. These are the only 2 gray border cards aren't in column of more than 4 cards, which don't have objects along the top border and on which the sky isn't simply too dark a blue to fit. Either option would create a complete column of 7 with 3 4x and 4 3x each.

An O'donoghue match would produce a column of Coleman/Braves Rookies/Jimenez/Johnson (3x) and Gibbon, O'Donoghue/Bennett (4x).

If it's Linz we have Coleman/Braves Rookies/Roznovsky/Kline (3x) and Linz/Gibbon/Barber (4x). We know Linz has a Green bar above him, and in his scenario it would be Gibbon.

Again, this is based on the fact I don't think it could be other than these two under Coleman - I think it's probably Linz. The sky on his card is a bit lighter than O'Donoghues.

There's been a lot of activity today so tell me what I missed.

Thoughts?

[deweyinthehall]

Earlier today or possibly yesterday we had settled I thought on a 6-card partial column of:

Phillies
Buchek
Hargan
Wynn
Ferrara
Covington

That seems to have changed?

[Kevvyg1026]

Can someone re-post the Coleman miscut with a RC to its right? I can't seem to find it.

Also, this is the pattern I came up with for both LE and RE cards. That means check7 is a 4x.

LE RE
A Aaron Hamilton
B Moeller Check 6
C Cubs RS J. Wood
D Gonzalez Giants RS
E Nuxhall Check 7
F Fox Edwards
G Skinner Carreon

And here is a long forgotten mc of check 7, below what once was thought to be a TC, but now, is most like the Giants RS card.

1966topps517whitesox_below Giants RS.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

The slit pattern I used, under the assumption that NO row changes occurred (since we haven't observed any) is as follows:

Slit A; ABCDEFGABCDE
Slit B: DEFGABCDEFGA

This puts Aaron at both the top of a slit and the bottom of a slit (evidence supports that) and also puts Gonzalez at the top of one slit with Nuxhall at the bottom of the other.

1966_500_BE_+Mk.jpg

[deweyinthehall]

Don't think I've seen that Coleman with a rookie stars next door. That would be good to see.

With your LE/RE comparison above, you have Moeller with the 6th series checklist - Moeller seems clearly a 3x and the checklist a 4x, no? And Gonzalez seems to be a 4x while Giants R's is a 3x - maybe switch those?