1966 Topps 6th Series/Semi-Hi's

[Cliff Bowman]

I think it might be Bill McCool under McAuliffe but if it is then that creates a problem with Ellsworth to the left of McCool because Ellsworth isn't under Klippstein, so unless this involves a row change then one or the other can't be right.

[deweyinthehall]

This was sitting in plain sight for so long earlier on this thread - Phillies team under Hargan. The only cards it could be (gray color, not in another row already) were Hargan, Banks and Linz. The thickness variations in the visible border make it a cinch for Hargan. This creates another 5 card partial column - Hargan, Phillies, Buchek, Wynn and Ferrara.

[deweyinthehall]

I was going to argue again about why Hatton was over the A's team instead of the Phillies - even though Phillies is under Hargan, could be under Hatton on the other slit - but since Hatton is now confirmed next to Wyatt, this places him in a 3 card partial column and since Phillies team is in a 5 card partial, well that's that. Hatton over the A's team.

[deweyinthehall]

I've long wondered why it can't be Rollins to the right of Ellsworth in the diamond miscut - the grass color is much darker than Ellsworth's in both cases, and trying to be precise on color tone with that poor image is dicey. I'm not saying it IS Rollins, just asking why it couldn't be. For you does it come down to the darker green on McCool?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I've long wondered why it can't be Rollins to the right of Ellsworth in the diamond miscut - the grass color is much darker than Ellsworth's in both cases, and trying to be precise on color tone with that poor image is dicey. I'm not saying it IS Rollins, just asking why it couldn't be. For you does it come down to the darker green on McCool?

Holy smokes, you're right. I have had it in my mind that it had to be either McCool or Oliva to the right of Ellsworth, Rollins makes perfect sense and he's a 4x. I think we can put McCool under McAuliffe now.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

This was sitting in plain sight for so long earlier on this thread - Phillies team under Hargan. The only cards it could be (gray color, not in another row already) were Hargan, Banks and Linz. The thickness variations in the visible border make it a cinch for Hargan. This creates another 5 card partial column - Hargan, Phillies, Buchek, Wynn and Ferrara.

Nice! That means one of the two remaining cards in the column is a Cub or a White Sock above Hargan. Could it be Covington?

[Cliff Bowman]

I can't believe it but we actually have a 1966 6th Series cluster going.

???????? - ?????? - Cannizzaro - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
???????? - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
*Howard - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
*Oliva* - A's Team - *Blefary* - ??????
***l*******l*********l********l***
Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - McAuliffe
***l*******l********l********l***
Ellsworth - Rollins - ????????? - McCool

[deweyinthehall]

I show it could be Covington, Stanky, Wilhelm or John in the Hargan column - do you prefer Covington due to card counts?

On McCool under McAuliffe - why McCool? We have McAuliffe in a column of 1 right now - the only blue cards it couldn't be are those in columns 1 and 10 and those in the Klippstein and Radatz columns to his left - together these are Nuxhall, Rollins, Klippstein and Edwards. Could still be McCool, Coleman or Oliva, no?

Can you re-post the card count list you're using for reference? I did one way back on the first page of this thread.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I show it could be Covington, Stanky, Wilhelm or John in the Hargan column - do you prefer Covington due to card counts?

On McCool under McAuliffe - why McCool? We have McAuliffe in a column of 1 right now - the only blue cards it couldn't be are those in columns 1 and 10 and those in the Klippstein and Radatz columns to his left - together these are Nuxhall, Rollins, Klippstein and Edwards. Could still be McCool, Coleman or Oliva, no?

Can you re-post the card count list you're using for reference? I did one way back on the first page of this thread.

1. That column has three 4x cards in it, Buchek, Wynn, Ferrara, the two missing cards have to be 3x. John, Stanky, and Wilhelm are all 4x.

2. That blue card has to be 4x, Oliva and Edwards are 3x and Oliva is already in the cluster on a 3x row and Edwards is a right edge card.

[Cliff Bowman]

The card above Frank Howard is a Tiger or a Cardinal and has to be a 4x. Fox, Skinner, Wood, McAuliffe, and Simmons are eliminated, and Woodeshick is a 3x. That leaves Lolich and Buchek. Lolich is in another column with five confirmed cards. That leaves Buchek. I know he has the Phillies Team card above him, but I don't remember why you have Buchek and the Phillies Team card in a column with Wynn and Ferrara?

[Cliff Bowman]

Here's an update of the cluster:

Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - ??????? - ????????? - Yankees Rookies
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***
*Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud**
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l**
**Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***
*Bunker* - ????????? - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***
*Bob Lee* - ??????? - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l****
*Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l****
Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - ????????? - **McCool*

[Kevvyg1026]

I show that the Buchek/Phillies vertical MC was id'd because of the recurring dot seen on the Phillies card. And you also have the Phillies TC mc.

1966_463_TC.jpg

and this MC of Wynn with a Phil or Indian above

1966_520_TC.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

I show that the Buchek/Phillies vertical MC was id'd because of the recurring dot seen on the Phillies card. And you also have the Phillies TC mc.

Attachment 650158

and this MC of Wynn with a Phil or Indian above

Attachment 650159

Oops, I am wrong about that first column then, Bob Lee doesn’t go over Jim Wynn.

[Cliff Bowman]

Updated, I think that has to be an Angel/Brave above Wynn rather than an Indian/Phillie.

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - ???????? - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

[Cliff Bowman]

Lenny Green and Phil Linz are side by side on a 4x row, Green has an Indian/Phillie above him and Linz has a Senator/Giant above him, I am confident that George Banks is above Green and Lindy McDaniel is above Linz because Banks and McDaniel are side by side.

[Cliff Bowman]

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - Friend - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

I believe there are seven more 4x cards, Bragan, Face, Gibbon, Hannan, Stanky, Stigman, Wilhelm, and there are seven open slots in the three 4x rows, Aaron, Gonzalez, Nuxhall, the problem is there is no way to fit in the remaining combos and meet the other requirements in the current layout. If dewey is right about Coleman being to the left of Red Sox Rookies then there is a six card block of

Gibbon - Hannan
Braves Rookies - Schofield
Coleman - Red Sox Rookies

plus Red Sox Rookies has a Rookie Stars card to its right. Then there is a two card combo of Stigman-Face on a 4x row. I probably have at least one column in the wrong spot.