Trivia: Career Power and Speed

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

I could be wrong, and I'm just speculating, but maybe Baines was good in that he opened the way for players who historically had been thought not good enough like Hodges, Oliva, Minoso, Allen, Parker.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I could be wrong, and I'm just speculating, but maybe Baines was good in that he opened the way for players who historically had been thought not good enough like Hodges, Oliva, Minoso, Allen, Parker.

Only catch is I don't think they're HOF'ers either. Out of that group Allen is the only one I really like and I could live with it if he was the best non-HOF'er.

I have a soft spot for Hodges and if there was some kind of Contributor category that took a man's entire body of work into account I'd put him and Lefty O'Doul in in a heartbeat, but he comes up short for me as just a player. I know Torre got in as a manager and Baker will too, but they'd both be no-brainers in my Contributor category. I think it would seriously help guys like Pinella and Davey Johnson as well.

Having the Contributor category would also make me like guys like Schoendienst being in a lot more than I do. It might also open the doors to guys who weren't particularly close as players or managers yet their overall contribution to the game was massive. Thinking guys like Zimmer, Pesky and Johnny Sain in addition to the previously mentioned O'Doul.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Only catch is I don't think they're HOF'ers either. Out of that group Allen is the only one I really like and I could live with it if he was the best non-HOF'er.

I have a soft spot for Hodges and if there was some kind of Contributor category that took a man's entire body of work into account I'd put him and Lefty O'Doul in in a heartbeat, but he comes up short for me as just a player. I know Torre got in as a manager and Baker will too, but they'd both be no-brainers in my Contributor category. I think it would seriously help guys like Pinella and Davey Johnson as well.

Having the Contributor category would also make me like guys like Schoendienst being in a lot more than I do. It might also open the doors to guys who weren't particularly close as players or managers yet their overall contribution to the game was massive. Thinking guys like Zimmer, Pesky and Johnny Sain in addition to the previously mentioned O'Doul.

Like it or not the standards have changed and players you and I would have relegated to the hall of very good are now, in fact, good enough.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Like it or not the standards have changed and players you and I would have relegated to the hall of very good are now, in fact, good enough.

I don't know. I think a lot of times people get in who aren't good enough, for other reasons.

And people like Allen, who are clearly good enough, don't get in for other reasons.

Every voter has their own standards, and then every voter decides whether to follow those standards when they vote.

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[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

It's a nice thought but is never going to happen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way, why does McCutchen's 2009 card have "RC" on it when he is in Topps and Topps Chrome 2005?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way, why does McCutchen's 2009 card have "RC" on it when he is in Topps and Topps Chrome 2005?

The RC logo from MLB was started in 2006, and part of that was changing the rules so that minor leaguers could only be in minor league sets (like the current Heritage Minors line). Before that a RC on the card was just a thing Topps did itself (ignoring other manufacturers) and there was no 'official' sanctioning or requirement of an MLB game debut. Presumably McCutchen got caught up in this cutoff and change and this one isn't actually an oopsie.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

The RC logo from MLB was started in 2006, and part of that was changing the rules so that minor leaguers could only be in minor league sets (like the current Heritage Minors line). Before that a RC on the card was just a thing Topps did itself (ignoring other manufacturers) and there was no 'official' sanctioning or requirement of an MLB game debut. Presumably McCutchen got caught up in this cutoff and change and this one isn't actually an oopsie.

Got it thanks. It looks like similar things with Votto and Verlander, "RC" designations after they appeared in major league sets, in Votto's case many years before. Greinke too maybe? BTW McCuthchen's 2009 Topps may be the worst card ever made.