Poll Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 and SGC MIN SIZE Dimaggios are same card?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think most buyers understand that some cards have a grading history and, so long as the cards weren't rejected, wouldn't view that as important. Also, as a practical point, auction houses probably aren't going to know that history in most cases. But when a card has been deemed not worthy of even a grade (a HUGE blow to its value, as we can see already from the current price already sitting at multiples of the AUTH/MS), and the seller KNOWS that, that feels disclosable to me. Could you do a Socratic method on this reasoning? Probably.

I think most on here would have an issue bidding, buying or owning a card that underwent a 2 grade bump. Their not knowing does not make it unimportant. A 2 grade bumps implies card doctoring. I think most of us, if we were presented with the before pic would want to dispose of the card.

I honestly do not think that Goldin realized the 6.5 they took in was the same card as the one in the Min Size holder. I don't think they need to disclose at this point but if they did I doubt it would have much impact on the sale, other than the fact that some newb to grading suggested the card was trimmed because it was in the Min Size holder.

Might be semantics but I do not feel the SGC version of the WWG Joe D was rejected. It was not eligible at one grading company for a numerical grade.

[DeanH3]

If I were a bidder, which I'm not, I would want to know the cards history. I get that cards can go up or down a full grade. But in this case I would want to know since it's a very significant difference in grade and dollar amount.

I'm not 100% sure where I fall on what GA is or isn't obligated to disclose. However, I would be surprised if GA didn't remember handling this card since it's such a rare/major card and not a lot of time passed in between. Plus, it would be interesting to know if the same person who won the card is now the consignor. That should ring some bells at GA. Interesting topic to debate.

[bnorth]

I am curious how many of those that voted yes care enough to have contacted the AH. I would think that would be the first thing I done if I really cared. Then report on a forum what happened when they contacted the AH with such important information. I guess posting about it on the net and voting yes on a poll is a darn close second.

[ullmandds]

This card is one of those cards that is pretty well known in the hobby if you have been around for a little while and pay attention to this kind of thing. Personally, I think this whole grading game is a crock of shit, but seeing as it's not going anywhere... cards like this need to be permanently marked somehow with some type of invisible indicator so they can always be detected as alltered.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This card is one of those cards that is pretty well known in the hobby if you have been around for a little while and pay attention to this kind of thing. Personally, I think this whole grading game is a crock of shit, but seeing as it's not going anywhere... cards like this need to be permanently marked somehow with some type of invisible indicator so they can always be detected as alltered.

Altered? It is not altered.

I do agree grading is for shit. I submit as little as possible for this exact reason. One person's 9 is another person's Evidence of Trimming.

[Fred]

Just think if you were the person that sold that card when it was in the SGC holder. Yuck...

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am curious how many of those that voted yes care enough to have contacted the AH. I would think that would be the first thing I done if I really cared. Then report on a forum what happened when they contacted the AH with such important information. I guess posting about it on the net and voting yes on a poll is a darn close second.

I voted yes, but I have no interest in contacting the AH. I don't expect anything to change. I just voiced my opinion. That's all. I don't plan on burning any bra's or dying a hill for this cause.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

If I were a bidder, which I'm not, I would want to know the cards history. I get that cards can go up or down a full grade. But in this case I would want to know since it's a very significant difference in grade and dollar amount.

I'm not 100% sure where I fall on what GA is or isn't obligated to disclose. However, I would be surprised if GA didn't remember handling this card since it's such a rare/major card and not a lot of time passed in between. Plus, it would be interesting to know if the same person who won the card is now the consignor. That should ring some bells at GA. Interesting topic to debate.

Goldin is doing a few hundred million a year in sales. From what I know of them they are forward thinking/looking people. Now I am really going to sound like Travis but I would wager that they had no clue they took in the same 36 WWG card. After all, they thought it was trimmed when it was int he 6.5 holder. Being in a PSA 6.5 holder is likely the last thing that they thought would happen.