T213-2 Coupons ++ Educate me please .....

[brass_rat]

I would agree that -- as others described -- the full set is not for the faint of heart.

I'd also mention that technical grades mean almost nothing for this set. There are plenty of great looking 1's out there, and they frequently look just as nice as the 3's, if not nicer.

I've been lucky to make it to needing only one card for the set... That pesky NY Demmitt is what I need, so if anybody has a lead on one...

Good luck if you choose to pursue the set or any side projects within it!

Cheers,
Steve

[t213]

There are 185 cards on the checklist and I got to 180 different before breaking it up. There are distinct levels of difficulty. The bulk of the cards were issued in 1914 and aren't that difficult. Many team changes were updated in both 1915 and 1916, and these range from super difficult to extraordinarily difficult. There are a handful of Fed League players shown with two different Fed League teams - Mullin with Indianapolis (1914 easy) and Newark (1915 super hard). Here are all six versions of Bender.

Andy

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by t213

There are 185 cards on the checklist and I got to 180 different before breaking it up. There are distinct levels of difficulty. The bulk of the cards were issued in 1914 and aren't that difficult. Many team changes were updated in both 1915 and 1916, and these range from super difficult to extraordinarily difficult. There are a handful of Fed League players shown with two different Fed League teams - Mullin with Indianapolis (1914 easy) and Newark (1915 super hard). Here are all six versions of Bender.

Andy

As is seen by Andy's post, the T213-2 list I posted earlier that I have been updating still needs additional updating. I will continue to post variation additions to the list when I confirm them...so keep on checking back Scott.

Brian

[cubman1941]

I bought these long ago and have read this with interest and trying to understand -

I have these listed as 1914-16 Coupon Cigs Type 2 (T213)
So
Bresnahan is a type 2 variation (Cubs)
Hofman is a Type 2
Needham is a Type 2 but
Tinker is a Type 3 (same photo as T206 1909-1911 Tolstoi)

[GeoPoto]

I don't know a lot about the set, but from a Washington perspective, Gandil is the one that has been the hardest one for me to capture. Here's some of the other Washington entries, if I rely on the uniforms and not the team designations:

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

I bought these long ago and have read this with interest and trying to understand -

I have these listed as 1914-16 Coupon Cigs Type 2 (T213)
So
Bresnahan is a type 2 variation (Cubs)
Hofman is a Type 2
Needham is a Type 2 but
Tinker is a Type 3 (same photo as T206 1909-1911 Tolstoi)

All four cards you showed are 1914-16 T213-2 cards. All cards in the T213-2 set feature front designs seen originally in the T206 set.

In the T213-2 set (the 2 in the T213-2 designation indicates Type 2), Bresnahan has two cards, both with the same front design, a 'Chicago Nat.' designation at bottom, and one with 'Toledo'.

Hofman has two cards, both with the same front design, the 'Brooklyn Fed.' designation like you showed, and with his name spelled incorrectly (Hoffmann) and a 'Peoria' designation.

Needham has one card with the 'Chicago Nat.' designation (can't see that in the image you provided...let us know if something different, because that would be a new addition to the checklist and would be heavily pursued by the T213 crowd).

Tinker has four cards in the T213-2 set, two with the 'bat off' front design, and two with the 'bat on' design (like your example). Each front design has two cards in the set, one with the 'Chicago Fed.' designation at the bottom, and one with 'Chicago Nat.' designation.


Brian

[cubman1941]

Brian,

Thank you. I appreciate the information very much.

Jim

[Exhibitman]

The finish on the cards tends to craze, which makes for low grade but very attractive cards

[wolverinejayhawks]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

I bought these long ago and have read this with interest and trying to understand -

I have these listed as 1914-16 Coupon Cigs Type 2 (T213)
So
Bresnahan is a type 2 variation (Cubs)
Hofman is a Type 2
Needham is a Type 2 but
Tinker is a Type 3 (same photo as T206 1909-1911 Tolstoi)

Cubman1941,

Your Tinker is also a T213-2, not a T213-3. The way to tell the difference is the back of the cards:

See: https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

Many T213 cards look exactly like T206. Same poses were re-used. Indeed, some people think that T213-1 cards are really just T206 cards with Coupon being a back variation like Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, Hindu, etc.

[RCMcKenzie]

No way that thread was 10 years ago, Todd and all. OP, you are on that old thread, you know more than me by now. I've added like 5 cards in 10 years. Has anyone other than MaCrae completed T213-2?

How has it been 10 years? I'm old. I also was worried when I saw a thread called "Leon".

Hang in there, gang.

[cubman1941]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the checklists also.

Jim

Originally Posted by wolverinejayhawks

Cubman1941,

Your Tinker is also a T213-2, not a T213-3. The way to tell the difference is the back of the cards:

See: https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

Many T213 cards look exactly like T206. Same poses were re-used. Indeed, some people think that T213-1 cards are really just T206 cards with Coupon being a back variation like Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, Hindu, etc.

[Pat R]

Type 3 for reference and a Type 2 to stay on topic.

T213-2 and 3.jpg

T213-2 and 3 backs.jpg