Next HOF vote announcement January 21

[conor912]

It’s surreal to me that players from the shiny card era are now Hall of Fame eligible!

[mrreality68]

Just announced

Ichiro Made it but not 100% some idiot voter did not vote for him
Sabathia Made It
Wagner Made it
Beltran fell short
Jones fell short

[brianp-beme]

Here are the votes for all candidates:

The vote: Ichiro Suzuki 393 (99.7%), CC Sabathia 342 (86.8), Billy Wagner 325 (82.5), Carlos Beltrán 277 (70.3), Andruw Jones 261 (66.2), Chase Utley 157 (39.8), Álex Rodríguez 146 (37.1), Manny Ramírez 135 (34.3), Andy Pettitte 110 (27.9), Félix Hernández 81 (20.6), Bobby Abreu 77 (19.5), Jimmy Rollins 71 (18.0), Omar Vizquel 70 (17.8), Dustin Pedroia 47 (11.9), Mark Buehrle 45 (11.4), Francisco Rodríguez 40 (10.2), David Wright 32 (8.1), Torii Hunter 20 (5.1), Ian Kinsler 10 (2.5), Russell Martin 9 (2.3), Brian McCann 7 (1.8), Troy Tulowitzki 4 (1.0), Curtis Granderson 3 (0.8), Adam Jones 3 (0.8), Carlos González 2 (0.5), Hanley Ramírez 0, Fernando Rodney 0, Ben Zobrist 0.


Brian

[JollyElm]

Just started reading this thread, so I have to ask.

We watched his entire career, so when Andruw Jones was playing, did anyone (possibly outside of big Braves fans) think of him as a Hall of Famer?? Even with his Gold Gloves, I don't know a single person who did.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Just started reading this thread, so I have to ask.

We watched his entire career, so when Andruw Jones was playing, did anyone (possibly outside of big Braves fans) think of him as a Hall of Famer?? Even with his Gold Gloves, I don't know a single person who did.

No, Braves fans are delusional

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Just started reading this thread, so I have to ask.

We watched his entire career, so when Andruw Jones was playing, did anyone (possibly outside of big Braves fans) think of him as a Hall of Famer?? Even with his Gold Gloves, I don't know a single person who did.

Not a Braves fan...

Yes, I did think he was a HOF....for 10 seasons, from 1998 to 2007, he averaged 35 HRs and 100 RBIs per season, about 160 hits per season, and was hell of an outfielder.....one of the best at his position defensively (most people do not dispute that).

Unfortunately, the last 5 seasons, he completely broke down and only played partial seasons.....but for those 10 years, he was very good offensively and superb defensively. For me, he passed on eye test alone.....and I am not, nor was I ever, a Braves fan.

I do think that Jones will get in either next year or his final year on the ballot....

As for Ichiro not getting unanimous....ridiculous. I am guessing that for Pujols, there will also be some idiot who will not vote for him on the first ballot, despite having these stats...

WAR
101.4

H
3384

HR
703

R
1914

RBI
2218

OBP
.374

SLG
.544

OPS
.918

OPS+
145

The election of Wagner should open the doors (at least a bit) for Chapman and Kimbrel.....

[BioCRN]

Speaking of Ichiro and Pujols, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but I remember seeing a lot more action at card shows and interest in the hobby in general during 2001 after a lull in the mid-late 90s.

McGwire and Sosa woke the fans up, Ichiro and Pujols brought people back into cardboard.

That was kinda fun, but it's anecdotal on my end and might be some localized rose colored memory.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

The vote: Ichiro Suzuki 393 (99.7%), CC Sabathia 342 (86.8), Billy Wagner 325 (82.5), Carlos Beltrán 277 (70.3), Andruw Jones 261 (66.2), Chase Utley 157 (39.8), Álex Rodríguez 146 (37.1), Manny Ramírez 135 (34.3), Andy Pettitte 110 (27.9), Félix Hernández 81 (20.6), Bobby Abreu 77 (19.5), Jimmy Rollins 71 (18.0), Omar Vizquel 70 (17.8), Dustin Pedroia 47 (11.9), Mark Buehrle 45 (11.4), Francisco Rodríguez 40 (10.2), David Wright 32 (8.1), Torii Hunter 20 (5.1), Ian Kinsler 10 (2.5), Russell Martin 9 (2.3), Brian McCann 7 (1.8), Troy Tulowitzki 4 (1.0), Curtis Granderson 3 (0.8), Adam Jones 3 (0.8), Carlos González 2 (0.5), Hanley Ramírez 0, Fernando Rodney 0, Ben Zobrist 0.

Adam Jones getting 3 and Hanley 0 seems the thing most wrong with this. Torii Hunter just barely holds onto the ballot again.

[paul]

I'm sure glad I picked up this Sabathia yesterday. It's still on its way. I also picked up this collegiate Billy Wagner a few days ago, and it arrived today. (It cost me $1). And I've had the 1993 Ichiro for a long time. All three are first cards as far as I know.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Here are the votes for all candidates:

The vote: Ichiro Suzuki 393 (99.7%), CC Sabathia 342 (86.8), Billy Wagner 325 (82.5), Carlos Beltrán 277 (70.3), Andruw Jones 261 (66.2), Chase Utley 157 (39.8), Álex Rodríguez 146 (37.1), Manny Ramírez 135 (34.3), Andy Pettitte 110 (27.9), Félix Hernández 81 (20.6), Bobby Abreu 77 (19.5), Jimmy Rollins 71 (18.0), Omar Vizquel 70 (17.8), Dustin Pedroia 47 (11.9), Mark Buehrle 45 (11.4), Francisco Rodríguez 40 (10.2), David Wright 32 (8.1), Torii Hunter 20 (5.1), Ian Kinsler 10 (2.5), Russell Martin 9 (2.3), Brian McCann 7 (1.8), Troy Tulowitzki 4 (1.0), Curtis Granderson 3 (0.8), Adam Jones 3 (0.8), Carlos González 2 (0.5), Hanley Ramírez 0, Fernando Rodney 0, Ben Zobrist 0.


Brian

The last guy I wanted on the mound when the games really counted was Billy Wagner. You can go on about his stats but its like a kicker in football who is great in the regular season but gets the yips in the playoffs. That was Wagner all the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

10.03 post season ERA. Jesus.

[Mike D.]

The three guys generally expected got in. Nice bump by Beltran, although the secret ballots folks REALLY don't like him. Jones continues to creep up, and nice gain for Utley. Felix did better than I expected, which means he should hang out on the ballot while voters further review his case.

From the tracker to the ballot, Wagner dropped a bit, but Francisco Rodriguez actually had a higher % among private voters. Only a few % points in each case, but still. Weird.

No sure-thing first year candidates next year, so could be a good opportunity for Beltran and maybe Jones.

[MorrellMan]

Glad for Ichiro and CC certainly is deserving.

I just can't get onboard with Wagner. This is a guy whose entire career consisted of a little more than 900 innings in over 850 games (900 innings @ 1/2 hr/outing = 150 games @ 3 hrs/game). All he did was pitch the last inning of a game his team was already winning, sometimes by as much as 3 runs. The opponent is in their last chance in a game they might already have given up.

Whatever their mental state, it just isn't a level playing field and disrepects those enshrined who labored thru 20 times more games, at least that much wear and tear on the body, that much more risk of injury, etc.

I have no interest in closers being in the HOF.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

10.03 post season ERA. Jesus.

Only 11 innings so a pretty small sample size, but still not a good showing.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Only 11 innings so a pretty small sample size, but still not a good showing.

11 innings with 13 earned runs and 21 hits. Was in 8 post season series and his team lost 7 of them. Gave up a go ahead 9th inning homerun to So Taguchi of all people in game 2 of the 2006 NLCS which was the turning point of that series. But hey Jayson Starks says he only blew one save in the playoffs!