Who are the most "over-valued" players

[Balticfox]

Huh?! Was he awful at first? That's not something I've heard previously.

If not, his batting stats are a separate and distinct entity from where he played in the field. And while I agree that his last year was bench worthy, his previous two years were decent enough.

Meanwhile I hated the Big Red Machine in the 1970's because I was a Pittsburgh Pirates and Montréal Expos fan when it came to the National League but I now respect Pete Rose for his all out style of play. And so now I'm defending him! A lifetime .303 batting average despite playing for 24 years until 1986 warrants high praise.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

Because of that historical significance, I have to think there's much more room for growth in Jackie's prices over the next 10, 20, 50 years when compared to Mantle or about anyone else. If the day ever comes when there are a lot more non-white collectors in the market, it should really take off.

If more non-whites come into the hobby, then watch Mickey Mantle go even higher!

Originally Posted by aljurgela

This is not really a discussion of the player... even if you decided that Mantle was THE best player of all time, I would think that he is overvalued... According to my calcs the value (market cap) of all of the PSA graded Mantles out there is close to $300 million (assuming $15 million for each of the PSA 10s and using the Cardladder current valuations)... $293.5 million of JUST the 1952 Topps...

Yes, like I said in my earlier post, the 52T Mantle prices are beyond insane. But what are your thoughts on his other cards? I think they are priced just right.

Originally Posted by aljurgela

I, for one, collect Negro League cards and many (most) historians would say that Oscar Charleston was a better, more important player than Mantle and if you could buy ALL of his cards, I bet that those would less than 3% of Mantle's 52 Topps. Of course he has more fans, more visibility, etc., but this is why I think that Mantle is so over-priced.

Some Negro League players have really taken off. Look at the Leaf Paige, for example. It might not be on the same level as the 52T Mantle, but it’s certainly getting there. And then, of course, there is Josh Gibson. His Toleteros card is probably worth even more than the Mantle now.

Originally Posted by rats60

If stories are to be believed, a lot of the value of the 1952 Topps Mantle was due to Woody Gelman hoarding them.

Could you tell me more about this? Interesting. Anyone hear about this before ??

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Ted Williams & Mantle, similar to Wilt Chamberlain & Bill Russell. Both Williams & Chamberlain were better than Mantle & Russell. However, Mantle and Russell were helping their stacked teams win multiple Championships.

Yes, the Celtics were a loaded team. However, Russell was mostly used for shutting down opposing players. When it came to offense, his contributions were not that great. In other words, there were guys on his squad who were much-better scorers. As for Mantle, I would not say that he played on stacked teams. The Dodgers were stacked during that era: Jackie, Campy, Pee Wee, Duke, etc. Not the Yankees. Furthermore, Mantle was a scoring machine. None of the guys on his team came even close.