Show...me...your print variations!

[butchie_t]

I have not come across the Aker with even less of the white streak. I have looked but have yet to be in the right place at the right time.

And I have never seen the Aker star constellation, nice pick up Al!

Nice collection of Stromsters Sir!!

Butch

[johnlenhardt]

Thanks for sharing your collection Larry. You have some there I was not aware of. Below is my known list (how I classify them) of variances on the Strommiester (With your new ones added)
SB = Side Burn

- No SB color, regular card
- No SB color, various donuts around "E" in Padres
- No SB color, White donut in position box
- No SB color, 2 donuts in brown top, 1 donut right side ear level
- No SB color, yellow donut by right ear
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner and Yellow donut Right side by boarder
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner only

- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut left of P in Padres
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Blue/Purple donut edge of cap left side
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Donut between E & S Padres

- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. Blue mark to the right of cap
- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. No Blue mark

- White SB with light pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- White SB with heavy pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut between E and S of Padres

- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with No boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat
- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat

- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut top left by boarder, Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap & blue mark left of nose
- Green SB No line under "E" and 2 Blue donuts by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye. Yellow donut right of ear

- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut
- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut, White donut on "A" in Padres

Johnny

[butchie_t]

John,

Thank you for your Stromonster list. Time for me to get busy with mine now.

Regards,

Butch

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by johnlenhardt

Thanks for sharing your collection Larry. You have some there I was not aware of. Below is my known list (how I classify them) of variances on the Strommiester (With your new ones added)
SB = Side Burn

- No SB color, regular card
- No SB color, various donuts around "E" in Padres
- No SB color, White donut in position box
- No SB color, 2 donuts in brown top, 1 donut right side ear level
- No SB color, yellow donut by right ear
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner and Yellow donut Right side by boarder
- No SB color, Red donut by top white left corner only

- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut left of P in Padres
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Blue/Purple donut edge of cap left side
- Multi color with Pink around SB, Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Donut between E & S Padres

- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. Blue mark to the right of cap
- White SB, White line under "E" with boarder break. No Blue mark

- White SB with light pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break
- White SB with heavy pink around white, White/Pink line under "E" with boarder break. Red donut between E and S of Padres

- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with No boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat
- Green, Orange around green SB Yellow line under "E" with boarder break and Yellow fish eye left of hat

- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut top left by boarder, Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue spot by cap & blue mark left of nose
- Green SB No line under "E" and 2 Blue donuts by cap
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye
- Green SB No line under "E" and Blue donut by cap. Red/Green donut on right eye. Yellow donut right of ear

- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut
- Green SB No line under "E" and No Blue donut, White donut on "A" in Padres

Johnny

You're welcome....and thank you for your list, now I have something to work off of.

[johnlenhardt]

Hi Butch & Larry have fun putting your lists together. If you find a version I do not have listed, when time permits send me a pic and I can update my list. If we work together I am sure we could put a definitive list together.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by johnlenhardt

Hi Butch & Larry have fun putting your lists together. If you find a version I do not have listed, when time permits send me a pic and I can update my list. If we work together I am sure we could put a definitive list together.

I promise to post my Brent's after this other thing I am doing this weekend. My other hobby is ham radio. Nevada is having a QSO party contest. So, I'm sitting in front of my radio all day today and tomorrow screaming CQ Nevada QSO Party, and making contacts........

CQCQCQCQCQCQCQ

DE Butch.

[ALR-bishop]

Does anyone know if any of the Strom variants can be found in the 1975 Mini set. ? Or for that matter anyone have other variants from that set. I have never done much looking but think I have only a couple of variants with my 75 Mini set. Actually have more with my smaller 85 Topps Mini set

[butchie_t]

Al,

Of all the Strom's I have come across, I have not seen any mini's that have had the blob. I believe, but have no proof, that the mini's were printed in another factory.

Butch

[butchie_t]

My Strom's. One could say I suffer from OBCD.....Obsessive Brent Compulsive Disorder. Me and the voices in my head are good with this though.

The first two pages are what I consider all different variations that I have come across during my quest. The one with the tiny white dot by his eye is a one off. At least so far it is. The rest I believe are repeatable. Some seem easier to get than others. For me, the white variation seems to be the most easiest to come by. Others may differ with this observation.

I have not detailed the differences as much as others here but this is what I have.

Orange and Green - Blob left side of face
White
White dot by left eye
Base with blob by hat
Light Orange and Green
Orange and Green
Pink and White
Orange and Green - blob left side of hat
Green
Green and red-green bullseye
Pink and White with Scribble #1
Pink and White with Scribble #2: I believe there are two different scribble patterns. That is why I mention #1 and #2.

And the latest:

White with pink line across the bottom of the white blob

The other two pictures are doubles. I could not tell when I bought them if they were different until I had them in hand. Then I could see that it was a dupe of what I have already.

Again....totally unscientific. But, I believe these are all different.

Larry, your list is much better detailed and if you have no problems with it, I'd like to adopt it for my Stromonster gathering. ; - )

[butchie_t]

Brent Strom Dupes

[johnlenhardt]

Great post Butch. Made some updates to my list. Some clarification for my sake as we know classifcation can mean differents things. When you indicate:

Pink and White with Scribble #1 & 2 Do you mean the scribble is the center color or (scribble) on the SB?

Johnny

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by johnlenhardt

Great post Butch. Made some updates to my list. Some clarification for my sake as we know classifcation can mean differents things. When you indicate:

Pink and White with Scribble #1 & 2 Do you mean the scribble is the center color or (scribble) on the SB?

Johnny

With this comment, I am saying (more like thinking) that there are two different scribble patterns. It looked to me like the crosshatches were different between the two of them. I have not 'scoped' this close enough to say one way or the other if they are different or not. So, I tagged them this way to keep them in my face and compare them closer at some time future.

Update: Scribble pattern by the SB.

Butch

[ALR-bishop]

Someone needs to get a copy of these last several posts to Brent Strom

[johnlenhardt]

Who would have thought Strom has a Wiki page. Upon reading I see "Since 1992, Strom has served as the pitching coach for the Tucson Toros, Houston Astros, the Kansas City Royals" I grew up in Tucson and saw the Toros play many times, however this was way before Strom assignment.

Butch, I can not confirm the two different scribble patterns as I only have one copy.

[Elberson]

Not a e/v but cool 3d version

[G1911]

Originally Posted by G1911

1959 Topps #431 Whammy Douglas.

Both the yellow splotching and the black dotted lines in the bottom white border are recurring.

Whammy lost an eye as a child, but still made it to the major leagues. He only played int he majors in 1957 with the Pirates, never appearing in a game with the depicted team on his 1959 card.

Updating Whammy. I think there's a lot of different variations. Here are the 3 points of variance

1) The bottom left corner can be complete, be rounded and missing a small piece, or have two small squiggly lines extending for it

2) Black lines come with the light black dashing extending down at an angle like on the top card, be straight and dark, or not exist at all.

3) The yellow block can be present or not present.

There seem to be multiple combinations of these facts, not just the 3 I have.

[Elberson]

1965 topps high 532 hector lopez can be found with or without a yellow line at the bottom

[swarmee]

1966 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #183 - Checklist [Poor to Fair]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Print bleed on top and bottom, obscuring the card number, since the ball should have white coloring inside.


1966 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #183 - Checklist [POOR]
Courtesy of COMC.com

[Elberson]

1961 topps 270 bob friend can be found with or without red line at top boarder

[G1911]

Can't remember if its appeared in this thread and search is picking up a ton of results for "Cloyd Boyer" that aren't right, but here's 1952 Topps #280 Cloyd Boyer, with the magenta striping at bottom border RPD.

Boyer happens to complete my 1-310 basic set except for... Willie Mays. Great

[ALR-bishop]

I think Dale may have posted it either in this thread or the 52 Gallery thread. I picked one up after seing that post. Scarce but recurring

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think Dale may have posted it either in this thread or the 52 Gallery thread. I picked one up after seing that post. Scarce but recurring

eBay happens to be unusually rich with them right now at the moment, but I've seen off-center cards of Boyer missing the magenta, so I assume that the mark was only on one of its placements on a full sheet and is thus only possible on Boyer's that came from that particular sheet slot. But what do I know!

[ALR-bishop]

At least more than me

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

At least more than me

Definitely not when it comes to post war variants, sir!

[swarmee]

1955 Topps - [Base] #193 - High # - Johnny Sain
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring print error: incomplete circle on back around card number.

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by Elberson

1965 topps high 532 hector lopez can be found with or without a yellow line at the bottom

I believe that line was a demarcation mark used by Topps to meld the 4x print rows with the 3x print rows. I have seen Sparma, Downing, and Mets team with the yellow line at top. These cards are in the row below the Lopez row. In addition, I have seen Gaines with the yellow line at bottom.

[ALR-bishop]

I collected most of the variants i have at a time I was blissfully unaware of the fact some were actually related. Guys like Cliff and you explained a lot of them

[Elberson]

“You teach me well”…..imagine a yoda voice

[Kevvyg1026]

a couple others from 1965

1965_551.jpg

1965_587_top.jpg

1965_598_top_line.jpg

And from series 6, on the reverse

1965_515_BL.jpg

Truthfully, I didn't really notice these until I was studying my 1968 cards, where this pattern is prevalent. I then went back to other years to discern if it had occurred before. Cliff then educated me about the practice.

1968_3_top_line.jpg

[G1911]

1975 Topps Ron Reed #81 comes with or without a border break and messed up "what" in the quiz question.

[G1911]

1975 Topps #132 Randy Moffitt can be found with this partial broken black line in the bottom border

[G1911]

And 1975 Topps #573 Orlando Pena comes with or without this line in the lower right.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by G1911

1975 Topps Ron Reed #81 comes with or without a border break and messed up "what" in the quiz question.

It is interesting that everyone of these I see, the back is offset to the left.

Butch

[G1911]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

It is interesting that everyone of these I see, the back is offset to the left.

Butch

After reading this post, I checked my box. All 7 of my Reed’s (the other 6 are the normal back) are off center to the left like this too. So there’s more for your sample size!

[bnorth]

Picked up this one the end of last month. Not very rare but a cool variation with the yellow and red stripes down the edge.

[ALR-bishop]

It is recurring

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

It is recurring

If I remember correctly it is a double print and one of the cards is on the left side of the sheet. Then when miscut enough the lines show up on those cards.

[G1911]

1955 Topps Duane Pillette #168. Duane comes with or without the peachy colored block in the left border. The block is less common, but not difficult.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Greg, but ironically after checking my set I need to normal one

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Good one Greg, but ironically after checking my set I need to normal one

You and me both, I found it by noticing my copy had a weird mark. I love when this happens with a cheap common!


1955 has been my set of the week, trying to clean up my personal checklist for it. Such a great design. The two stocks (white vs. cream, and the cream is coarser to the touch. Difficult to tell apart in scans, but much easier in hand) for the first series/sheet cards really complicate the 'known' variations/RPD's/whatever-people-want-to-call-them. My copy of #2 Ted Williams that I've had for a long time is thankfully the no dots in signature variation, with a white back. Does anyone have this variation with the cream stock? I'm not certain all the variations affect both stocks, and pedantically cataloguing them might provide production clues as to whether they were done simultaneously or if they represent 2 distinct print runs of the first 'series'.

Carey, Sullivan, Terwilliger, Conley, Grim, Jackie, Moon et al. I'm also working on.

[G1911]

Here's another example of what I mean. #67 Wally Moon comes with a red dot above his first name in the signature, or no dot, which is long known. Are there 3 or 4 copies to collect though? Here I have the :

Red dot, cream stock
No dot, cream stock
No dot, white stock

Does a red dot, white stock exist?

I hope the stock difference comes through the Net54 photo limitations. 1955 is not one of the easiest stock differences to tell but there are two of the for the first series cards, usually not too hard to tell in hand and they feel different too. Difficult, oft impossible to tell from scans and eBay listings where the appearance of difference often comes from scanner settings, making it difficult for me to be positive a card is one stock or the other without getting it in hand. A number of the other defects/differences in the first series 1955's are genuine variations, cropping differences, changes to the signatures, etc.

[G1911]

And here is one that is partially new, on 1955 Topps #80 Bob Grim.

Grim had a wonderful season as a rookie in 1954, going 20-6. Like Jackie Robinson, Grim is known to come with 2 versions of the logo, with the team logo cut off at the top and left or appearing fine. In truth, it's not just the logo - the cards are different cropping everywhere. Looks at his cap, his chin, and it's evident there is a sizing difference and moving of the picture everywhere, like happened the next year with a number of cards as well.

I believe there are actually 3 versions though, before we get to the stock differences. At bottom is the version with the team logo's black border circle oviously cut off at left and top. In the middle though, one can see the top border is barely there, and flattened. At top, the top black border of the team outline is 90% complete. The top and middle cards also have very, very slight differences in the position of the top of Grim's hat relative to the white border. Exciting? No. 3 different cropping variations? I think so.

Now these 3 may be 6 if all were done with both stocks. There are likely at least 5 as the main cropping difference come from different slot placements on a sheet.


EDIT: None of the Grim's I've had have ever had a dot over the "I" in his autograph. Has anyone seen one? Several other cards have variations here so it may be a variation on Bob's card as well.

[G1911]

Here's another one my personal checklist is getting complicated on. 1955 Topps #20 Andy Carey. Carey is known as one of the other crop cards, with the team logo cut or complete at the top.

To start, I think there are actually 3 distinctly different crop versions of the team logo. Full gap at top (bottom), almost a gap with the thinnest part of the top black circle being almost missing (middle) and almost complete (top).

Second, I believe there are deeper complications with the coloring. The middle card here has the left half of the logo being pink instead of red. Now this is usually nothing, just representative of light ink or fading or light modification, but a ton of Carey's online are clearly this exact same pattern with a pink left half of the logo. It occurs frequently across the different croppings. I think there is something more than fading going on here, it is quite strange that a significant percentage of Carey's would have the exact same precise pattern of red fading on part of the logo in only this exact spot.

Third, there is a pinky purple sheet mark next to the logo on the bottom card that is off center. This is recurring. This bottom copy also has a yellow splotch at bottom right of the red name box, not sure if recurring. The middle card has a white obstruction streak running from top border to the portrait cap. Also do not know if recurring yet.

[ALR-bishop]

I did not do the gray and whites for 1956 but this is what I have for variants, all recuring

1 Williams..dot on i or not
2 Fowler Topps in the red on back
14 Finnegan missing top line on logo
26 Groat...same as Finnegan
29 Wehmeir..truncated logo, no dot on i and * on back by Life, and white spot
in logo
30 Powers...missing top circle of logo border
31 Spahn...same as Powers
34 Terwilliger...partial logo from Groat card...plus this guy was a tank man in
WW 2 and after his tank was hit on Saipan had to outrun a enemy tank on foot
50 Robinson....truncated logo
54 Limmer...gap on left side of logo
56 Jablonski...blob on N in his name
67 Moon..red dot on i
70..Rosen...truncated logo like Herm and Jackie
80 Grimm...missing top of circle in logo
81 Conley...distortion in headress in logo ( scarce recuring fish eye)
106 Sullivan...all kinds of different dots on i
118 Purkey...blue v green mark on shoulder
137 Elliot..4 different version of last line of bio and the copyright
144 Almalfitano...blue line in left front border
145 Valo..wavy red right border at bottom
161 Tanner...white y in Daffy on back
174 Minarcin...bite out of black right bottom border
177 Robertson...missing part of red stat box on back
193 Sain..missing part of circle on ball on back

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I did not do the gray and whites for 1956 but this is what I have for variants, all recuring

1 Williams..dot on i or not
2 Fowler Topps in the red on back
14 Finnegan missing top line on logo
26 Groat...same as Finnegan
29 Wehmeir..truncated logo, no dot on i and * on back by Life, and white spot
in logo
30 Powers...missing top circle of logo border
31 Spahn...same as Powers
34 Terwilliger...partial logo from Groat card...plus this guy was a tank man in
WW 2 and after his tank was hit on Saipan had to outrun a enemy tank on foot
50 Robinson....truncated logo
54 Limmer...gap on left side of logo
56 Jablonski...blob on N in his name
67 Moon..red dot on i
70..Rosen...truncated logo like Herm and Jackie
80 Grimm...missing top of circle in logo
81 Conley...distortion in headress in logo ( scarce recuring fish eye)
106 Sullivan...all kinds of different dots on i
118 Purkey...blue v green mark on shoulder
137 Elliot..4 different version of last line of bio and the copyright
144 Almalfitano...blue line in left front border
145 Valo..wavy red right border at bottom
161 Tanner...white y in Daffy on back
174 Minarcin...bite out of black right bottom border
177 Robertson...missing part of red stat box on back
193 Sain..missing part of circle on ball on back

My list also has:

34 Terwilliger also has cropping variations of the logo or changes to the very top of it (I think 3 in total). I did not know he outran a tank!

137 - I believe there are 5 (?) with the 'extra' being that the "in '53" version comes with the top of the 5 damaged, or actually fully complete.

145 Valo has a "280" or ".280" batting average, that I think somebody found in this thread. It's an obstruction blocking a small area of the print, rather than a correction made to the type.

[ALR-bishop]

After recount I do have 5 Elliotts including the damaged 5 version which I think may be the toughest.

May have to look for the Terwilliger logo. On of mine has a flattened area at top of logo rather that rounded. Are there some with gaps ?

On Valo my version with the wavy front righ bottom border is missing the . in 280

[Sliphorn]

I had this one as a result of the lower right bar being somewhat cut off, like Minarcin, only less so.

One of these has the .280 BA without the dot on the reverse.

[Sliphorn]

I know this is baseball cards, but this is variation in the 1956 Topps set. Both varieties are on COMC and eBay, so they are easy to get. You can see the yellow block on the lower right of the card front.

[ALR-bishop]

Thomas--good to hear from you. My defective Valo is llike yours and is missing the dot before 280 on the back as well

[G1911]

For 145 Valo, I did not know (thank you guys) about the front name box defect.

My version of .280 and 280 are both fully printed in the red name box. A smidgeon of the corner of the "2" in the "280" version is missing, if you look closely.