Let�s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

butchie_t · #1 12-15-2024, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Quote from Post #412 -from butchie t: �Here is my Jackie Robinson, front and back for comparison. I purchased this along with the other 23 way back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society. What I know up to now, it is part of the Festberg find.�

This question is for butchie t: how did you come to believe your cards are from the Festberg find? I will have more questions in upcoming posts for you butchie t. John

John,

My answer to you on the 'why I believed' is based on:
1. Ignorance
2. Not enough information coming into that thread back then.
3. The letter I received when I was a member of the Baseball Card Society. Assumption my my part connecting Festberg to my card set.

Excerpt here (Page 2 of what I called the Feldstein Letter(he wrote it.):

"All the baseball cards they produced that weren't put in bread
packages were stored in a dusty warehouse and, quite literally,
forgotten about when they went out of business. Many years later a
famous collector discovered the cards in the warehouse and snapped up
all of them. He died a few months ago and his widow offered us the
card sets that remained. "

///Question: Has there ever been a determination of who this famous collector is? (Since it was possibly not Festburg?)///

In my quest to find out more about this set I bought back in 1990, I searched and came across this website... And the famous or infamous thread on the Bond Card questions. Based on what I read and my ignorance, I applied the find to the Festburg Find.

I joined the site at that time and made my initial posts of what I had purchased.

I could not tie the color of back of my cards to anything substantial, so, I figured Festburg was the logical fit at the time, based solely on the thread.

While I may have changed my opinion since then, I'm still not exactly sure the origin of what I have. That is just me either hoping or injected doubt from additional information that has been discussed after that thread was basically closed.

One thing I have outstanding questions I have not seen discussed is card stock used and the thickness of a card stock from a bond Bread card verses a Sports Star Subject set, verses a Festberg find card.

My thoughts on this:

1. All three card stock thicknesses are different.
2. Bond and Sports card stock measure the same thickness
3. Sports card stock and the Festberg card stock are the same thickness.

There is probably another option here but I would believe that card stock and the thickness of that card stock can be a data point to rule in or out certain items.

And from all the above, my own selfish reason that I want to believe the set I bought can be designated and dated to the 47 era. Thus making my cards worth more. Right now they are a $255.00 oddity. Still ain't selling them though.

Butch Turner

Exhibitman · #2 12-15-2024, 02:20 PM

I try to follow the physical evidence as best as I can when it comes to card classification and analysis. All of the anecdotal accounts not directly from the speaker's own experience are just hearsay. Ted said he got his cards out of bread bags in 1947, that's entirely credible eyewitness testimony. Sone guy telling some guy that a third guy told him something, not credible evidence.

Johnphotoman · #3 12-15-2024, 03:17 PM

Exhibitman- I do agree with you about credible eyewitness testimony. I talked to old-timers who said they collected Exhibit cards from Exhibit (ESCO) arcade machines. Images like the images we call Bond Bread, this is a credible eyewitness account, not some guy telling some guy who told me.

That is why I never really believed the Exhibit cards were Bond Bread cards. This is not proof that ESCO printed the Exhibit cards. But - that the images on the Bond Bread cards were used on other printed cards.

Back then I never kept good records like, the names or places on who told me what. My notes say something like this: I met this guy at the Eastpoint show who said, �I remember getting cards that looked like that from the Exhibit penny arcade machines.� This is after I showed some 8x10 black white photos. Since then I have matched many of my photos to BB cards, I am talking about the exact same images. Like Exhibit cards, but photo that match the cards. John

PS I will post the images that I believed I showed, if this would help.

Johnphotoman · #4 12-15-2024, 06:57 PM

Exhibit card: Notice it says- An Exhibit card in the bottom left corner, and Made in the USA in the bottom right corner. John

Johnphotoman · #5 12-16-2024, 08:39 AM

This is the photo I have. It is an 8x10, John

Johnphotoman · #6 12-16-2024, 06:02 PM

Photo and Exhibit card.

Johnphotoman · #7 12-17-2024, 07:19 AM

Today, looking over the information and trying to put together the next post: as you guys know, I am gathering information as I go along.
I stumbled across something today that I would like to look into. If anybody has cards of Screen Star Subjects can you please post those images of the front and back of the cards, along with how and when you collect them. John

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