Negro League Hall of Fame

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Yoda

On one of my many metaphysical musings, I started to think about the recent move to incorporate Negro League stats into official MLB stats, giving, as we all now know, the highest lifetime batting average title to Josh Gibson, leaving the Georgia Peach in the dust. It got me wondering that, if this is the new reality, then why not integrate those already inducted in NL HOF into the real Hall. It would achieve full integration instead of this halfway measure.
Be interested in what others think.

Dumb question--are there actually NL HOF members, or is it just a general museum? Like, do they have their own room full of plaques?

Are you referring to the members of the NL HOF (assuming they exist) as the "halfway measure."

I have not been to the Negro League Hall of Fame in Kansas City, but am hoping to go next year.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Dumb question--are there actually NL HOF members, or is it just a general museum? Like, do they have their own room full of plaques?

Are you referring to the members of the NL HOF (assuming they exist) as the "halfway measure."

I have not been to the Negro League Hall of Fame in Kansas City, but am hoping to go next year.

Charles, I believe there is a room in the HOF dedicated to HOF'ers from the NL, plaques and all. Others please correct. I haven't been to the Hall in 30 years.
By 'halfway there', I meant that if Negro stats are now being compared to already enshrined HOF'er, shouldn't the players themselves be admitted also?

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Charles, I believe there is a room in the HOF dedicated to HOF'ers from the NL, plaques and all. Others please correct. I haven't been to the Hall in 30 years.
By 'halfway there', I meant that if Negro stats are now being compared to already enshrined HOF'er, shouldn't the players themselves be admitted also?

Are you talking about the Negro League players enshrined in Cooperstown already?

If so, they are in the National Baseball Hall of Fame just like anyone else enshrined. Satchel Paige's plaque is right between Joe Kelley and Yogi Berra. There has never been any separation since I've been going as a little kid slightly more than 30 years ago. There's no difference. There was a category separation in the old yearbooks I have, but that was only because they didn't have stats available, so they didn't fit in the stats section. However, when the bios were broken down into sections, you would find them alongside others at the position.

If you're talking about the Negro League Museum in Kansas City, then you wouldn't combine them because different people vote on them. It would be odd to have a process in place and not follow it. I would also assume it should be easier to get into the Negro League Museum as a player, similar to players being in team Hall of Fames, but not Cooperstown.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Are you talking about the Negro League players enshrined in Cooperstown already?

If so, they are in the National Baseball Hall of Fame just like anyone else enshrined. Satchel Paige's plaque is right between Joe Kelley and Yogi Berra. There has never been any separation since I've been going as a little kid slightly more than 30 years ago. There's no difference. There was a category separation in the old yearbooks I have, but that was only because they didn't have stats available, so they didn't fit in the stats section. However, when the bios were broken down into sections, you would find them alongside others at the position.

If you're talking about the Negro League Museum in Kansas City, then you wouldn't combine them because different people vote on them. It would be odd to have a process in place and not follow it. I would also assume it should be easier to get into the Negro League Museum as a player, similar to players being in team Hall of Fames, but not Cooperstown.

When I was there they made it very clear they are a museum and not a HOF. Definately worth a visit for anyone who has not been there.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Charles, I believe there is a room in the HOF dedicated to HOF'ers from the NL, plaques and all. Others please correct. I haven't been to the Hall in 30 years.
By 'halfway there', I meant that if Negro stats are now being compared to already enshrined HOF'er, shouldn't the players themselves be admitted also?

John, As z28jd mentioned, the Negro League players in Cooperstown have plaques in the same place as all of the other players--the Plaque Gallery.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

John, As z28jd mentioned, the Negro League players in Cooperstown have plaques in the same place as all of the other players--the Plaque Gallery.

Then I am off base here. I mistakenly thought there was a separate gallery for Negro League HOF'ers in Cooperstown. Glad they are now integrated. So is KC considered the Negro Hall of Fame? Tks.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Then I am off base here. I mistakenly thought there was a separate gallery for Negro League HOF'ers in Cooperstown. Glad they are now integrated. So is KC considered the Negro Hall of Fame? Tks.

As was said before, it's a museum, not a HOF.

[Misunderestimated]

According the internet there are 37 Negro Leaguers inducted in the HOF in Cooperstown -- they are not separate from the other HOFers... Most of these players/mangers/executives of color were selected primarily for their accomplishments in the Negro Leagues and its' antecedents --> some of them were great before the Negro League existed -- e.g Bud Fowler and Pete Hill...
I don't know how much consideration was given to the Negro League players international accomplishments in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Mexico etc.
Willard Brown was exceptional in the Puerto Rican League in the 1950's and
Martin Dihigo is the only player inducted into five baseball halls of fame: the American, Cuban, Mexican, Dominican, and Venezuelan Baseball Halls of Fame
This 37 does not include those who started in the Negro League and went on to star in the "major leagues" -- Jackie Robinson, Banks, Aaron, Mays etc.
I guess Monte Irvin is for his "major league" career while Willard Brown is in for his career before he played in the majors (and maybe afterwards?)
As someone accurately noted above, the Negro League Museum is not a Hall of Fame --> it's a museum. My understanding is that it does not induct or select individuals as Hall of Famers.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

According the internet there are 37 Negro Leaguers inducted in the HOF in Cooperstown -- they are not separate from the other HOFers... Most of these players/mangers/executives of color were selected primarily for their accomplishments in the Negro Leagues and its' antecedents --> some of them were great before the Negro League existed -- e.g Bud Fowler and Pete Hill...
I don't know how much consideration was given to the Negro League players international accomplishments in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Mexico etc.
Willard Brown was exceptional in the Puerto Rican League in the 1950's and
Martin Dihigo is the only player inducted into five baseball halls of fame: the American, Cuban, Mexican, Dominican, and Venezuelan Baseball Halls of Fame
This 37 does not include those who started in the Negro League and went on to star in the "major leagues" -- Jackie Robinson, Banks, Aaron, Mays etc.
I guess Monte Irvin is for his "major league" career while Willard Brown is in for his career before he played in the majors (and maybe afterwards?)
As someone accurately noted above, the Negro League Museum is not a Hall of Fame --> it's a museum. My understanding is that it does not induct or select individuals as Hall of Famers.

They have what they call the "Hall of Game", which honors more recent players, but the entire museum is basically like a Hall of Fame for the entire Negro Leagues, not just individuals.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Cobb's record still stands for anyone who employs logic. The Negro Leagues will always be a separate entity from the Major Leagues for the very same reason. History can not be rewritten. What happened, happened.