1930's Debut Year Baseball Autographs, MOST RARE

HexsHeroes · #1 12-10-2024, 03:32 PM

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Love it when some of these older posts get a fresh breath of air.

I would be curious to know if/how much Jim's initial estimates have changed over the past 12 years.

prewarsports · #2 12-10-2024, 06:04 PM

Now I need to find my Heilbronner informational card signed by "Robert Dietz" and I will call it a Charles Weidemeyer!

gonefishin · #3 12-10-2024, 06:12 PM

I know this player missed the era by 2 years, but I wanted to post and see if this one is rare. It is of Charlie "Chip" Marshall who played 1 game in the major leagues for the Cardinals in 1941. He played mainly in the minors from 1937-42. Any thoughts of the rarity?

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #4 12-10-2024, 06:35 PM

Extremely common. Great signer and lived a long time.

stat192 · #5 12-10-2024, 06:56 PM

I really wonder why a player would have used a fake name while playing in the minors back then

Hankphenom · #6 12-11-2024, 10:17 AM

I wonder if many of the players from the 1920s and 30s with no known examples are due to the simple fact that they never learned to write, not even their names. I don't think that was uncommon in that time, especially with many players coming out of rural and backwoods area.

prewarsports · #7 12-11-2024, 12:04 PM

Most of the fake names were to retain their 'amateur' status if they were playing college sports under their actual name or to hide the fact that they were playing professional baseball from their parents if it was frowned upon in their family circle.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #8 12-11-2024, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

I wonder if many of the players from the 1920s and 30s with no known examples are due to the simple fact that they never learned to write, not even their names. I don't think that was uncommon in that time, especially with many players coming out of rural and backwoods area.

I would confidently place money on my exemplar file for this period being the most extensive in existence. With that in mind, I can assure you that illiteracy, at least insofar as signing one's name is concerned, was happily not present within the MLB fraternity (the Negro Leaguers may be an entirely different matter altogether; I am just commenting on the actual Major Leagues, not the revamped, politically correct version of the Major Leagues).

Also, off the top of my head, there isn't a single 1920-onward player for whom at least one exemplar does not exist. This is of course different from any of their autographs being in private hands. If there are any players from this time period for whom nothing exists, not even a draft registration card, I am completely forgetting them. This doesn't seem like something I would forget. If I am wrong in this, the number of players would be absolutely minuscule.

stat192 · #9 12-11-2024, 03:41 PM

If anyone has any of these debut autos for sale, I will pay generously, this are last 7 I need to complete my 1933 to present autograph collection

1933
Charlie Butler Phillies

1934
Bill Perrin Indians

1935
Whitey Ock Dodgers

1937
Jerry Lynn 87 Senators / Salisbury Indians

1939
Johnny Echols Cardinals

1944
JOHN FICK 58 PHLLIES

1945
JACK PHILLIPS 58 GIANTS

Hankphenom · #10 12-11-2024, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I would confidently place money on my exemplar file for this period being the most extensive in existence. With that in mind, I can assure you that illiteracy, at least insofar as signing one's name is concerned, was happily not present within the MLB fraternity (the Negro Leaguers may be an entirely different matter altogether; I am just commenting on the actual Major Leagues, not the revamped, politically correct version of the Major Leagues). Also, off the top of my head, there isn't a single 1920-onward player for whom at least one exemplar does not exist. This is of course different from any of their autographs being in private hands. If there are any players from this time period for whom nothing exists, not even a draft registration card, I am completely forgetting them. This doesn't seem like something I would forget. If I am wrong in this, the number of players would be absolutely minuscule.

Interesting, and thanks for the information. I must have overestimated the amount of illiteracy a hundred years ago. I'm not sure why you think it would be different for the Negro League players. Incidentally, my friend's father was very close to Billy Cox.

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