Ruth and Gehrig help

[Dubbymc]

Thanks Leon. Everyone this is my item.
I'm seeking expertise from those that may know Ruth and Gehrig signatures to share your opinion om whether these are authentic or not. Please let me know and thanks for your help.

[Bpm0014]

Ruth no good

[Dubbymc]

Thanks. Anything specific about this signature that makes you say this? Just curious to know.

[Bpm0014]

The b the e and the th are completely and totally off. The slant is also off. Especially in regard to the h in relation to the t. It has never in tens of thousands of his autographs ever slant more from one letter to the next. The a is surprisingly accurate. The an and the e are the 2 toughest letters in his name to replicate (in my humble opinion) with forgers almost never able to get those 2 correct. And the forger did a decent job with the a but a horrendous job with the e. For starters haha…

[Bpm0014]

So the more I look at this….

Rarely if ever does a Ruth autograph stump me. I can tell within a couple seconds if a Ruth autograph is good or not. I’ve studied it pretty extensively. However the more I look at this, the more it stumps me. A lot of the letters are rather atypical. However some are “decent”. I’m assuming this is a signed pennant. And I’m wondering if quite simply the pennant was a tough medium to sign. I’d like to hear the story behind this pennant. I’d also like to hear opinions on the Gehrig autograph. Because I believe if one is good, the other is good and vice versa. There’s just some weird things going on with this and I’d like to hear more on it..

[Kzoo]

Screen printed letters on old pennants, like these, would provide a 'bumpy' signing surface, so I would expect to see some irregularities.

[rand1com]

I would lean authentic on the piece but I would not purchase it unless it had a legitimate 3rd party cert. PSA/DNA nor JSA would authenticate this item unless they had a high degree of confidence. Otherwise, they would just reject or if on the fence give no opinion and refund the fee.

I liked the Ruth from the start although as pointed out there are some letter inconsistencies. I look at the autograph overall and have never nitpicked individual letters as I know my own autograph often has screwy looking letters. I'm pretty sure although Ruth and Gehrig tried to give very legible examples, they sometimes had some yips.

I like the Gehrig less than the Ruth but would not rule it out.

The experts would likely charge $500 or maybe more to look at it but obviously if authentic would be money well spent. By the same token, $500 into the wind in a failure position. It is a gamble in my mind of a coin flip.

Brendan and a few others here are probably as good on Ruth as the authentication companies so I hesitated to question him and hence the reason I kept my opinion to myself until he slightly acquiesced which allowed my opening.