Let’s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

[Johnphotoman]

I would agree, we cannot tell between the 1947 genuine cars, but we can tell the 1980s Festberg finds from the 1947 cards. As for hot of the presses, the quality would not be as good in the pictures, because they would have to copy the genuine cards, unless they have the Original photos the cards were made from. I have 181 9x10 photos they could have been used to print the cards from. Many are the “Bond Bread cards", this is why I do not like to show the photo, because someone could use them to make cards, and we could not tell the difference. For this same reason we can tell the 1980 find, because of paper and the quality of the printing. But if someone did have photos like I the ones I have... they print up cards, if they went about using the right paper stock. If this happens, we could not tell them apart from the 1947 cards, or almost impossible to tell them apart.

Wait if a forensic expert went over the cards, then they could tell when the paper was made, and what kind of ink was used, it would almost be impossible to get ink and paper stock from the 1947, therefore the forensic person could tell the fake cards. But as collectors we could not. I was in the printing for over 40 years, and I don't know if I could tell the fakes if done right, with the matching stock and the original photo. John

[Johnphotoman]

I was thinking, I don’t mean to imply that the 1980s Festberg - discovered in NJ. are not good cards to have. On the contrary, anyone who has these cards has a piece of baseball history. Only that they are not from the 1947 cards issued. And they are not Bond Bread cards, since they were not but in the bread, this is what makes the Bond Bread issue so special. And again I do agree we cannot tell the Bond Bread cards from the Sports Star cards. John

[ullmandds]

To clarify...I was never under the impression mine is from the festburg find...nor is it an original bond bread. I always thought it was some other issue with a vintage from the 50's or so.

[Johnphotoman]

My best guess is you have 1947 cards, " Aarco Playing Cards 1947". Not having the cards in hand is hard to tell, but the quality is what one would expect and paper stock looks right, if there where re-prints from the 1950s, I believe we could tell just by looking at them. John

[Johnphotoman]

Here is what a copy or counterfeit card could and should look like in my opinion. The thing about the 1980s Festburg find is no one calls them fakes or counterfeits, just re-prints of 24 Bond Bread cards. Poor quality card looks like, I didn't mean to say counterfeit. John

[Johnphotoman]

Look at the back, the front set off on the back, I would say just stay away from cards that look like this one, again this is just my opinion.John

[Johnphotoman]

one more image on a card I would stay away from, could be a fake. John

[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Here is what a copy or counterfeit card could and should look like in my opinion. The thing about the 1980s Festburg find is no one calls them fakes or counterfeits, just re-prints of 24 Bond Bread cards. John

I do not mean to call this card a fake / forgery, I was trying to show a poor quality of a printed card. I need to slow down and get everything right. Sorry for any misunderstanding. You can tell it is not a fake by the dot pattern, which I will go over in How baseball cards were printed, in report number 3. Thanks John

[Johnphotoman]

This is the copy of the card with set off on it. It is not a copy of a forgery. John