My 52 mantle cert number used in counterfeit

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Delray Vintage

Thanks Peter. What a pain to have to send this card in. I know it is genuine but now I have to have PSA examine it to show it it a legit card. The lesson I guess is never show your cert number to anyone. I never did but it was a buy it now on EBay in 2010.

It sounds like just one of those unfortunate things but it will work out. At least you didn't buy the fake, I guess.

[swarmee]

Even if you don't show the cert number, it's in PSA's database to pull from. But yes, recalling both cards is how PSA usually determines the fake.

Every once in a while, PSA deems them both authentic and "accurately" graded, and puts them both in new slabs. However, I think the cards I'm recalling they claimed were submitted at the same in the same order, and were accidentally printed with duplicate cert numbers. Not sure how true that can be; just seems like their QC stages would notice two high value cards with the same cert number in the same order, but they've whiffed on plenty of obvious things in the past.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Even if you don't show the cert number, it's in PSA's database to pull from. But yes, recalling both cards is how PSA usually determines the fake.

Every once in a while, PSA deems them both authentic and "accurately" graded, and puts them both in new slabs. However, I think the cards I'm recalling they claimed were submitted at the same in the same order, and were accidentally printed with duplicate cert numbers. Not sure how true that can be; just seems like their QC stages would notice two high value cards with the same cert number in the same order, but they've whiffed on plenty of obvious things in the past.

The following happened to a guy I helped a few years back.

He won a Ryan PSA 9 in a Beckett/Goodwin auction. I forget how exactly, but when he consigned it later, it was discovered that the identical cert was associated with another (legit) Ryan 9 graded perhaps a decade before. His obviously was a Mexican fake/overgrade, and indeed other cards had been pulled from the same auction.

After much back and forth with Beckett and PSA, it was agreed that Beckett would refund him provided PSA verified the slab was indeed not legit. So he sent the card to PSA.

Lo and behold, PSA reholdered the card and gave it a new cert number. No explanation.

[MikeGarcia]

.- I would like to see " an obvious fake Mexican overgrade " slabbed , posted here on 54 , if anyone knows or ( gasp ! ) even has one ? Thanks,. I believe everything so far in this thread because of the members who have posted so far.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

.- I would like to see " an obvious fake Mexican overgrade " slabbed , posted here on 54 , if anyone knows or ( gasp ! ) even has one ? Thanks,. I believe everything so far in this thread because of the members who have posted so far.

It was obvious from the circumstances, not from the card or slab itself. Thus, Copperfield's success over the years. He put very large numbers of these into the market. There was a publicized story a few years back about the arrest of one of his "mules" from Denver, forget his name now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Interesting discussion in this thread particularly between MW1 and Ergoism.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=188487

[MACollector]

I had a card that I finally entered into the registry and it came up as already in someone else’s registry. Found out that card had been sold by an auction house for a large sum of money. The PSA app could not scan the bar code in the picture used for that listing but it had the same number as mine. My bar code scanned correctly. Had to send my card into PSA to get a new number as the old one got deactivated. Always scan the bar codes! Much harder to fake those.