Does Lance Parrish deserve to be in the HOF?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by todeen

I'm completely with you about judging catchers on a different set of criteria. JT Realmuto deserves consideration among modern catchers. His productivity has helped the Phillies compete offensively and defensively. Here's a list...
https://baseballegg.com/all-time-pla...s-of-all-time/

Realmuto #23 slots in between Parrish #24 and Piazza #22 on this list of best catchers of all time, and ranks higher than Salvador Perez #27. HOF'er Ernie Lombardi #33 sits below him, but he was helped by two batting titles and back to back WS appearances. Ahead of Perez and Realmuto on the list are Posey #8, Posada #14, Molina #15, Jason Kendall #17.

This same argument will eventually come up in 15 years about pitchers from 2015 - present. It is very doubtful we will see 200 wins from this group of pitchers, they will have pitiful Innings Pitched numbers, but monster strikeouts and WHIP.

Mickey Cochrane at #19 and Roy Campanella at #20? That list can't be real.

[Mark17]

Actually, maybe he does. I like gold gloves + good offensive numbers and Parrish has both.

[jingram058]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I'm just tired of what I perceive to be good but not great players going in, and so many what I consider to be great, again, my perception, not going in. I would really like to see some of the guys I collect, who after reading about them, or that I actually remember being discussed as great from the days in which I followed baseball go in. I guess that's just asking too much, realistically. That's why I collect my own Hall of Fame.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Gene Tenace ranks higher by JAWS than any of the catchers under discussion here, I believe. He feels to me like the Bobby Grich of catchers -- high metrics, but most would not think of him as even close to great.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I'm just tired of what I perceive to be good but not great players going in, and so many what I consider to be great, again, my perception, not going in. I would really like to see some of the guys I collect, who after reading about them, or that I actually remember being discussed as great from the days in which I followed baseball go in. I guess that's just asking too much, realistically. That's why I collect my own Hall of Fame.

I didn't see Parrish play. But I think my question is: would Parrish be considered Baines, and a joke to the HOF, or would he be more like Ted Simmons, and considered an honor a long time coming?

Originally Posted by rats60

Mickey Cochrane at #19 and Roy Campanella at #20? That list can't be real.

Looking at the list, he is looking at three different measures of WAR: 7 yrs, 5 yrs, and 3 years. Looking at Cochrane and Campanella compared to the top catchers (Bench, Carter, Fisk, Ivan Rodriguez, Yogi), it's noticeable that Cochrane and Campanella have something that creates that separation. Usually when I look at lists like this, the cream of the crop are noticeably separated, like a bell curve. You have those few anomalies at the top and bottom, and then a huge chunk in between. The in-between players are the ones you get to argue about. Of Cochrane, Campanella, Hartnett and Piazza....as you question....I'm not sure how they are passed by Jason Kendall.

[JustinD]

As likely the largest Parrish collector in the country, people may be surprised by this answer.

I don’t see it as much as I would love it.

Does he have a resume that qualifies for the new hall of very good? I think so, he has the WS, numerous golden gloves and sliver sluggers, ground breaking in opening strength training in baseball over the huge objections of Sparky.

The two biggest catch 22’s. The Phillies move was a bust, and really was after a long battle that beat him mentally. That 1987 year is a tough one.

The absolute biggest- Parrish was a lynchpin in destroying one of the largest scandal in MLB history with spotlighting the collusion of owners under the complete ass that was Peter Uberroth. The commissioner that blatantly violated near every labor law and created one of the biggest black eyes in modern baseball. I can’t imagine them wanting his history in full review during the career retrospective and bringing a scandal they have spent 40 years trying to keep out of the public eye back in the forefront. Uberroth was a soulless criminal and holds a black spot in history for his treatment of players. No one wants that on display.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by JustinD

The absolute biggest- Parrish was a lynchpin in destroying one of the largest scandal in MLB history with spotlighting the collusion of owners under the complete ass that was Peter Uberroth.

Show us part of your collection!

Before my time, I had to look that one up. From Wikipedia....

However, Ueberroth, with the assistance of the owners, also facilitated collusion between the owners in violation of the league's collective bargaining agreement with the players. Players entering free agency in the 1985, 1986 and 1987 offseasons were, with few exceptions, prevented from both signing equitable contracts and joining the teams of their choice during this period. The roots of the collusion lay in Ueberroth's first owners' meeting as commissioner, when he called the owners "damned dumb" for being willing to lose money in order to win a World Series. Later, he told the general managers that it was "not smart" to sign long-term contracts.[10] Former Major League Baseball Players Association president Marvin Miller later described this as "tantamount to fixing, not just games, but entire pennant races, including all post-season series."[11] The MLBPA, under Miller's successor, Don Fehr, filed collusion charges and won each case, resulting in "second look" free agents, and over $280 million in fines.[12] Fay Vincent, who followed as Ueberroth's successor in the commissioner's office, laid the crippling labor problems of the early 1990s (including the 1994–95 strike) directly at the feet of Ueberroth and the owners' collusion, holding that the collusion years constituted theft from the players.[13]

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[JustinD]

Originally Posted by todeen

Before my time, I had to look that one up.

They’ve done a great job of hiding it for 40 years haven’t they? It is great reading although incredibly frustrating. I remember it like it was yesterday as that was basically the singular reason my favorite childhood player left the Tigers for the Phillies. He was incredible for standing up to an obvious injustice to the players and the players since owe him and the others that helped fight and put their careers at risk a debt of gratitude that they likely have no idea of.

Many stars just sadly took it on the chin and signed horrible contracts under pressure. That scandal almost ruined baseball by being the kindling for the MLB strike. The worst commissioner in the history of baseball in my mind and the memories have been silenced by most.