OT - Dennis Eckersley vs Walter Payton

[packs]

I always thought of it as 1980 forward but I guess there are different opinions. My only point was that there are millions and millions of Henderson rookies just like there are a ton of 1983 Wade Boggs rookies but a Henderson in a 10 is I think more expensive than any other card like that until you get to more modern serial numbered cards.

[BioCRN]

Some people start junk wax in the mid-70s. We know they really started running the presses in 1975+. Some specifically go 1977+ because of expanded print runs compared to pre-1977.

Some people start in 1981 when Fleer/Donruss entered the market.

Some 1986-88 because of the obvious insanity of print runs.

It's like trying to define a pre-war RC. There's a whole mix of opinions about whether regional issues count and how large the regional issue has to be...or if they should even be counted at all. Should exhibits count? Should issues that are card-like, but not traditional cards (Batter Up cards, Fan Craze cards, etc) count?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I always thought of it as 1980 forward but I guess there are different opinions. My only point was that there are millions and millions of Henderson rookies just like there are a ton of 1983 Wade Boggs rookies but a Henderson in a 10 is I think more expensive than any other card like that until you get to more modern serial numbered cards.

Every time I see a Henderson 10, I wonder if you took all of them, cracked them out and resubmitted, how many would actually 10? Even better, if you mixed them in with an equal number of nice 9s, would there be any correlation at all with the new results?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Every time I see a Henderson 10, I wonder if you took all of them, cracked them out and resubmitted, how many would actually 10? Even better, if you mixed them in with an equal number of nice 9s, would there be any correlation at all with the new results?

I've never seen "10" used as a verb. I almosed 2ed myself.

[packs]

Is it worse to 2 yourself or end up with a 1.5.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by packs

Is it worse to 2 yourself or end up with a 1.5.

I think a 1.5 would be much worse, even though it's lower on the Richter Scale.

[D. Bergin]

I guess we'll see what they actually sell for in the end. Have a hard time believing Eckersley goes for double the Walter Payton card, regardless of the registry.

Payton may have lost some luster as Running Backs have become marginalized in the last decade or so, and others have broken his records....but that has been a highly respected and sought after card for decades. You could argue it's "THE" football card of the 70's.

Eckersley? Interesting career, nice pitcher. You can't possibly tell me more people are collecting Dennis Eckersley than are collecting Walter Payton. Don't care if baseball card collecting is more "popular" than Football card collecting or not.

Am I correct in assuming the Eckersley is also a much older slab/grade?

If so, might just be a modern day 9, hiding in a older 10 holder.

I wonder if people who are willing to pay high 5 figures for an Eckersley Rookie, take this into account. I could fill up 5 storage rooms full of cool older stuff for that type of money, so I'm obviously not the demographic for something like this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I guess we'll see what they actually sell for in the end. Have a hard time believing Eckersley goes for double the Walter Payton card, regardless of the registry.

Payton may have lost some luster as Running Backs have become marginalized in the last decade or so, and others have broken his records....but that has been a highly respected and sought after card for decades. You could argue it's "THE" football card of the 70's.

Eckersley? Interesting career, nice pitcher. You can't possibly tell me more people are collecting Dennis Eckersley than are collecting Walter Payton. Don't care if baseball card collecting is more "popular" than Football card collecting or not.

Am I correct in assuming the Eckersley is also a much older slab/grade?

If so, might just be a modern day 9, hiding in a older 10 holder.

I wonder if people who are willing to pay high 5 figures for an Eckersley Rookie, take this into account. I could fill up 5 storage rooms full of cool older stuff for that type of money, so I'm obviously not the demographic for something like this.

Again, it's the set registry and the pop. It's irrelevant if it's really a 10 or not, it's labeled a 10. HOF RC is probably in different registry sets too. Not even close to a football card.

There are only 9 Eck 10s, and 55 Payton 10s. 2 to 1 might be understating the gap in prices.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Again, it's the set registry and the pop. It's irrelevant if it's really a 10 or not, it's labeled a 10. HOF RC is probably in different registry sets too. Not even close to a football card.

There are only 9 Eck 10s, and 55 Payton 10s. 2 to 1 might be understating the gap in prices.

I understand, but it still seems silly to me. Their standings within their respective sports are miles apart.

Aren't there Football HOF RC pop collectors? We're not talking Bowling, or Lawn Darts here. It's still NFL Football. We've had Tom Brady cards sell for over a Mill.

To me, it's like comparing a low pop Waite Hoyt to a higher pop Lou Gehrig in the same condition.

There should still be much more demand for the Gehrig.

Anyways, my three cents.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I understand, but it still seems silly to me. Their standings within their respective sports are miles apart.

Aren't there Football HOF RC pop collectors? We're not talking Bowling, or Lawn Darts here. It's still NFL Football. We've had Tom Brady cards sell for over a Mill.

To me, it's like comparing a low pop Waite Hoyt to a higher pop Lou Gehrig in the same condition.

There should still be much more demand for the Gehrig.

Anyways, my three cents.

There are common cards in PSA 10 that would outsell that Payton. Comparing players is missing the point of how these registry guys think. Yes, it seems silly to me too. But it doesn't matter. That's how it is. As long as people can show off their collections, there will be people competing to have a better one than the next guy.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There are common cards in PSA 10 that would outsell that Payton. Comparing players is missing the point of how these registry guys think. Yes, it seems silly to me to. But it doesn't matter. That's how it is. As long as people can show off their collections, there will be people competing to have a better one than the next guy.

I'm not a high-end collector, but my most valuable card is in an SGC slab -- I love the way it looks in it compared to PSA. But clearly, when it's time to sell someday, I should spend the $ to put it in a PSA slab to take advantage of this silliness. I know ... not vintage, but to many of us who grew up in the '80s, it's our '52 Mantle.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There are common cards in PSA 10 that would outsell that Payton. Comparing players is missing the point of how these registry guys think. Yes, it seems silly to me too. But it doesn't matter. That's how it is. As long as people can show off their collections, there will be people competing to have a better one than the next guy.

Rarity that's not specific to a card as printed breeds craziness.

The 1987 Topps Ricky Wright autograph market is peak insanity just to check off a box for the collection.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There are common cards in PSA 10 that would outsell that Payton. Comparing players is missing the point of how these registry guys think. Yes, it seems silly to me too. But it doesn't matter. That's how it is. As long as people can show off their collections, there will be people competing to have a better one than the next guy.

Are there common cards from base sets in the 1970's that would outsell that Payton?

Not trying to be a wise-ass. Just curious.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Are there common cards from base sets in the 1970's that would outsell that Payton?



Not trying to be a wise-ass. Just curious.

For sure. I can think of a couple 1986 Fleer basketball commons that sell for 5 figures in PSA 10, and that's junk wax era. It's nuts what low pop PSA 10s go for.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There are common cards in PSA 10 that would outsell that Payton. Comparing players is missing the point of how these registry guys think. Yes, it seems silly to me too. But it doesn't matter. That's how it is. As long as people can show off their collections, there will be people competing to have a better one than the next guy.

Early in the days of the registry, some of the commons from sets like 52 Topps that are almost always off center were selling for staggering sums even in 8. Whether those cards were really 8s, gifts, or made to order is another question.