Chantilly October 2024

[theshowandme]

It’s one of my favorite weekends of the year

Excited to see many of you.

[Vintagedeputy]

I had planned to go on Saturday, but unfortunately now have to work.

[Jewish-collector]

I can't make it this show, but let's meet for lunch or dinner next time. beer chug.gifbeer chug.gifbeer chug.gif

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

It’s one of my favorite weekends of the year

Excited to see many of you.

Don, I'm seeing a theme here with post #4:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=354110



Wish I could be there, I enjoy Chantilly. I'm looking forward to Andrew's and Ryan's vintage gathering in February!

[Natswin2019]

I went today and it was fun as usual. The vintage selection was good but not outstanding like it has been in the past. Picked up 1 card, a t206 printers scrap. It was super fun to catch up with folks and talk cards all afternoon.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Don, I'm seeing a theme here with post #4:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=354110



Wish I could be there, I enjoy Chantilly. I'm looking forward to Andrew's and Ryan's vintage gathering in February!

It is hard to have a bad day when it is filled with cards and friends!

See you soon!

[Brian Van Horn]

I was thinking of going down on Saturday, but it's a five plus hour trip each way and, yes, I complete the trip in the same day. Also, although a good show, I have only ever bought one card at the show in five visits. A 1916 Zee Nut of Rath.

[parkplace33]

How is the show? Unfortunately, I am away this weekend.

[ValKehl]

I picked up these 2 scarce/rare cards for my 1924 Senators collection at the Chantilly Show. I got the Witmor Candy - Peckinpaugh card from William Chappell (sp?) and the 1921 White's Tip Top Bread - Ben Egan card (the only card issued during his career) from Net54 member Dan Mckee. Both of these dealers are really good guys.

Ben Egan never played for the Senators, however he was on the coaching staff for part of the 1924 season. Here's a couple of excerpts from his interesting SABR bio - https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/Ben-Egan/

"Ben Egan’s career and reputation are little known and remain part mystery, part legend. Though Egan was predominantly a backup catcher during his four major-league seasons, he was an important cog for many of the best minor-league teams in baseball history. He was also an influential teammate and mentor during the early careers of three Hall of Fame pitchers, Lefty Grove, Stan Coveleski, and Babe Ruth. Egan spent about 22 years in professional baseball as a player, coach, and manager. When his professional coaching career ended in 1928 with the International League Baltimore Orioles at the age of 45, he continued managing and coaching for the next 15 years in his hometown."

"Egan was the primary catcher for the Orioles in 1921 at the age of 37. The 1921 team, considered by some baseball historians to be the best minor-league team ever assembled, fashioned a 27-game winning streak on its way to winning 119 games."

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ben Egan never played for the Senators, however he was on the coaching staff for part of the 1924 season.

How interesting, Val! That's a new name for me in connection with the 1924 Nats. As you know, numerous players came and went that year trying to fill an outfield spot to go with Rice and Goslin, also many pitchers and other utility players juggled in and out over the course of the season. Even at the end, going into the World Series, they had two guys, Ralph Miller and Tommy Taylor, with barely a handful of major league appearances under their belts, which is nuts when you think about it. I believe they let coach Jack Chesbro go mid-season to fulfill a promise Griff had made to Al Schacht several years earlier, but I'd love to know the story of Egan, and why he came and went so quickly.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Natswin2019

I went today and it was fun as usual. The vintage selection was good but not outstanding like it has been in the past. Picked up 1 card, a t206 printers scrap. It was super fun to catch up with folks and talk cards all afternoon.

I heard the same thing from a few other collectors. Not as much vintage as years past.

[Natswin2019]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

I heard the same thing from a few other collectors. Not as much vintage as years past.

I think the volume was about the same as normal, the thing that I noticed was that it was a lot of the same stuff I had seen at the last few shows. The same cards sitting with the same too high prices definitely made it kind of boring from a buying POV.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

How interesting, Val! That's a new name for me in connection with the 1924 Nats. As you know, numerous players came and went that year trying to fill an outfield spot to go with Rice and Goslin, also many pitchers and other utility players juggled in and out over the course of the season. Even at the end, going into the World Series, they had two guys, Ralph Miller and Tommy Taylor, with barely a handful of major league appearances under their belts, which is nuts when you think about it. I believe they let coach Jack Chesbro go mid-season to fulfill a promise Griff had made to Al Schacht several years earlier, but I'd love to know the story of Egan, and why he came and went so quickly.

Hey Hank. I believe you forgot Nemo Liebold who I believe logged more games in left field than Taylor and Miller. Incidentally, he got the winning hit in in the 7th and decisive game of the ‘24 WS. I’m trying to recall who the winning pitcher was in that game but it just won’t come to me. 😎








who the winning pitcher was.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Hey Hank. I believe you forgot Nemo Liebold who I believe logged more games in left field than Taylor and Miller. Incidentally, he got the winning hit in in the 7th and decisive game of the ‘24 WS. I’m trying to recall who the winning pitcher was in that game but it just won’t come to me. 😎
who the winning pitcher was.

Hey Ken, according to the Post, his name was Johnson. Liebold had been around (one of the White Sox in '19), at least, whereas Miller, Taylor, and several others that tried out during the season had only a few or no major league games to their credit. The turnover was amazing for a team vying for a pennant, but of course the core of the team was terrific, with good hitting at almost ever position, solid pitching, an inspirational young manager, etc. Earl McNeely actually got the winning hit, and he's a prime example of a player plugged into a key position in the heat of the pennant race without so much as a cup of coffee in the bigs.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

I heard the same thing from a few other collectors. Not as much vintage as years past.

I just don't get this, though I see it all the time. The same dealers with massive vintage inventory are almost always there. Forget my auction, just in my little 4 dealer island you had Tom Botticelli and Alex Tymchuk, two booths I could spend a day at by themselves. Throw in Stan Loch, Howard Chasser, Bill Chappell, Larrie Dean and for the first time Andrew Friedman and likely a few others I'm either forgetting about or didn't even know about since I don't get to wander around, and I find it hard to believe that vintage availability was down.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Hey Ken, according to the Post, his name was Johnson. Liebold had been around (one of the White Sox in '19), at least, whereas Miller, Taylor, and several others that tried out during the season had only a few or no major league games to their credit. The turnover was amazing for a team vying for a pennant, but of course the core of the team was terrific, with good hitting at almost ever position, solid pitching, an inspirational young manager, etc. Earl McNeely actually got the winning hit, and he's a prime example of a player plugged into a key position in the heat of the pennant race without so much as a cup of coffee in the bigs.

Whoops! McNeely of course. I stand corrected.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I just don't get this, though I see it all the time. The same dealers with massive vintage inventory are almost always there. Forget my auction, just in my little 4 dealer island you had Tom Botticelli and Alex Tymchuk, two booths I could spend a day at by themselves. Throw in Stan Loch, Howard Chasser, Bill Chappell, Larrie Dean and for the first time Andrew Friedman and likely a few others I'm either forgetting about or didn't even know about since I don't get to wander around, and I find it hard to believe that vintage availability was down.

Scott, you forgot to mention Dan Mckee, whose several showcases contained more different, scarce/rare pre-War type cards than you are likely to ever see at any other dealer's table at any other show, including the National.

[nwfsteve]

I live in Richmond so I usually go. I thought there was a little less vintage than usual. Foot traffic on Saturday was normal. Picked up a 1952 Bowman Stengel PSA 6 from Howard which was a highlight and also hand delivered my 52 Bowman Mantle to SGC for a new holder.
I don’t do autos any more but back in the day the ticket numbers would go into the 300s for stars - now very few hit the 100 mark. They count differently I suppose, but while prices on autos are high seems demand is slacker.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by nwfsteve

I don’t do autos any more but back in the day the ticket numbers would go into the 300s for stars - now very few hit the 100 mark. They count differently I suppose, but while prices on autos are high seems demand is slacker.

I'd bet that a good number of the players sign more in the back room than for the customers in line. If you ever get a sneak peak back there, you'll see lines of helmets, jerseys, balls, etc.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I'd bet that a good number of the players sign more in the back room than for the customers in line. If you ever get a sneak peak back there, you'll see lines of helmets, jerseys, balls, etc.

Econ 101: The higher the prices on anything, the lower the number sold. But as you said, the promoters are guaranteed a certain number of autographs, which they flip to their network of dealers, etc. Which is undoubtedly also depressing sales, the ton of autographed material flooding the market from previous shows and otherwise.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Econ 101: The higher the prices on anything, the lower the number sold. But as you said, the promoters are guaranteed a certain number of autographs, which they flip to their network of dealers, etc. Which is undoubtedly also depressing sales, the ton of autographed material flooding the market from previous shows and otherwise.

There's also the fact that they have a lot of guests over and over again. That's gotta put a dent in demand even for a regional show.