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Bobby Richardson CAREER WAR -- 8.0.
Next undervalued player please?
Not that I'm much interested in defending a New York Yankee, but I see now that not only was Bobby Richardson the MVP of the 1960 World Series (Yay Pirates!) but was a seven-time All-Star.

Moreover I can't find that WAR stat on the back of any of my Baseball cards which indicates it's some newfangled thing that wasn't around in his day. Do you really believe that some such newly hatched player valuation technique incorporating multiple subjective factors is a better gauge of Bobby Richardson as a player than the awards he was given during his actual career?

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Not that I'm much interested in defending a New York Yankee, but I see now that not only was Bobby Richardson the MVP of the 1960 World Series (Yay Pirates!) but was a seven-time All-Star.

Moreover I can't find that WAR stat on the back of any of my Baseball cards which indicates it's some newfangled thing that wasn't around in his day. Do you really believe that some such newly hatched player valuation technique incorporating multiple subjective factors is a better gauge of Bobby Richardson as a player than the awards he was given during his actual career?

Yes. Absolutely. Anyhow, he wasn't that good by many other more modern metrics too.

If he played in Kansas City or Baltimore you wouldn't have even heard of him.

Slightly above average player overall. Certainly not undervalued.
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If he played in Kansas City or Baltimore you wouldn't have even heard of him.
I wish he had. That way I could like him almost as much as Nellie Fox, Luis Aparicio and Brooks Robinson.

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Ha.

Nellie Fox 49.4 WAR (compared to 8.0).
Aparicio 55.9
Brooks 78.5

Even the much maligned Mazeroski at least hit 36.5.

BTW on Baseball Reference's ranking of second basemen, Richardson is .... 229.
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Okay but you'll need something more credible than this WAR thingie to get me to accept this or that player ranking.
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Default R U kidding? Note Bobby Grich's WAR - 71.1 !!!!

Do you really believe that some such newly hatched player valuation technique incorporating multiple subjective factors is a better gauge of Bobby Richardson as a player than the awards he was given during his actual career?

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Do you really believe that some such newly hatched player valuation technique incorporating multiple subjective factors is a better gauge of Bobby Richardson as a player than the awards he was given during his actual career?
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WAR stands for “wins above replacement” and it attempts to measure a player’s overall value to a team by positing how many wins he is worth when compared to a replacement-level player.
Since when are scouts very good at projecting how any minor league replacement player will fare at the MLB level? They make educated guesses but it's guesswork nonetheless and they're frequently wrong, very wrong. Quite simply there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip.

Worse yet, the WAR stat involves projecting the performance of no specific player but some theoretical random replacement player. In other words an abstraction! So WAR is based on extrapolating, i.e. guessing, the play of an abstraction! Talk about airy-fairy!

I'm with those who believe that the search for one simple metric such as WAR to assess baseball players is a search "an ephemeral alchemy, a chimera, and he who searches for it runs a fool’s errand."

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