Mets or the Yankees?

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by packs

Aside from 2009, every championship team was built by Gene Michael, who put together those teams through savvy drafts and trades. You say only Andy Pettitte was a successful starter. That totally ignores pitchers like El Duque, one of the most successful postseason pitchers of all time, and Ramiro Mendoza, a totally home grown and essential pitcher on those teams.

El Duque won a grand total of 61 games in 6 seasons with New York and had exactly one season with a WAR over 4. He had 2 pretty good years. Never an all-star. Ramiro Mendoza won 10 games once in a 10 year career with a 4.30 era. That’s all the home grown pitching you need to win 4 World Series in 5 years?

The 4 pitchers in ’96 with the most starts were Pettitte, Kenny Rogers, Dwight Gooden, Jimmy Key, and David Cone - none of whom came up with NY, except Pettitte.

In ’98 it’s Pettitte, Wells, Cone, and Hideki Irabu (who they stole from the Padres)
In 99 it’s the famous El Duque, Cone, Pettitte, and Clemens
In 2000 it’s Pettitte, Clemens, El Duque, Cone and Denny Neagle.

One really good home grown starter - Pettitte, and you win 4 titles in 5 years. Yeah, that's how every team does it....with the largest payroll in baseball.

Gene Michael had the luxury of buying a pitching staff to supplement his 3 home grown starters in the field. Big deal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought Cone was a trade with Toronto?

[packs]

Ask anyone who watched El Duque pitch what they thought about him. He was 9-3 in the postseason for them. Ramiro Mendoza was the archetype for the modern middle reliever that is coveted by nearly everyone today. I agree the Yankees aren’t churning out number one starters but even in recent times they developed Chien-Ming Wang who won 19 games two years in a row before injury and Luis Severino is a very good pitcher as well.

This year Gil, Schmidt and Cortes were either drafted by the Yankees or have only played for the Yankees.

[Shoeless Moe]

Mets/Yankees buying Titles is nothing new.

Case in point 2024...

Top Payrolls:

1. Mets 318 Million
2. Yankees 309 Million
5. Dodgers 241 Million
23. Cleveland 107 Million

29. Pirates 85 Million
30. Oakland 63 Million

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Mets/Yankees buying Titles is nothing new.

Case in point 2024...

Top Payrolls:

1. Mets 318 Million
2. Yankees 309 Million
5. Dodgers 241 Million
23. Cleveland 107 Million

29. Pirates 85 Million
30. Oakland 63 Million

Perhaps, but I'd argue that the Mets are the more likeable of the two.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Mets/Yankees buying Titles is nothing new.

Case in point 2024...

Top Payrolls:

1. Mets 318 Million
2. Yankees 309 Million
5. Dodgers 241 Million
23. Cleveland 107 Million

29. Pirates 85 Million
30. Oakland 63 Million

To be fair, many of the players the Mets are paying aren't even on the team anymore

[packs]

I echo the principle. It makes more sense to look at who is being paid. For example, 40 million dollars is set aside for Aaron Judge, a player they drafted in the first round and made a Yankee for life. That is supposed to be what every owner does. I find it increasingly strange that people would criticize the Yankees for keeping their own players, while also criticizing players for opting out and going to the highest spender.

[JollyElm]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but this breakdown of the two New York/Long Island fan groups is as close to 100% accurate as possible:

• Mets/Jets/Islanders
• Yankees/Giants/Rangers

With baseball, it was always the channel niners versus the channel eleveners...and I miss those halcyon days (Whoops! Needless show of emotion).