New PSA Terms & Conditions: Comp. Damages and Injunctive Relief for Card Doctoring

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the genius of it. The flip has become the commodity. And in a world where the overwhelming majority of sales are now not in person, all the more power it's taken on.

It's certainly genius. They have built a customer base that is willing to overlook any and all incompetence and is completely fine with their inability to do their basic job, at best. Not many companies have a customer base that expects so little. Difficult to fault them for taking advantage of it. Why their customers do not believe PSA should be competent and keep throwing piles of extra money at cards that bear their approval is where it makes no sense. Taking advantage of this is in PSA's interest, and making money is the entire point for everyone. But almost everyone appears to certainly be aware this all rests on a bedrock of bullshit and these opinions they are throwing cash at are often demonstrably false. If logic or truth ever enters the equation or people's brains, and they question how wise this is and stop, the entire thing collapses.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's certainly genius. They have built a customer base that is willing to overlook any and all incompetence and is completely fine with their inability to do their basic job, at best. Not many companies have a customer base that expects so little. Difficult to fault them for taking advantage of it. Why their customers do not believe PSA should be competent and keep throwing piles of extra money at cards that bear their approval is where it makes no sense. Taking advantage of this is in PSA's interest, and making money is the entire point for everyone. But almost everyone appears to certainly be aware this all rests on a bedrock of bullshit and these opinions they are throwing cash at are often demonstrably false. If logic or truth ever enters the equation or people's brains, and they question how wise this is and stop, the entire thing collapses.

I think the "scandal" was a pretty good test and it passed with flying colors and is stronger than ever. Think John Barleycorn Must Die. He emerged stronger than ever.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think the "scandal" was a pretty good test and it passed with flying colors and is stronger than ever. Think John Barleycorn Must Die. He emerged stronger than ever.

Public or group belief systems that fly in the face of ascertainable facts are usually unstoppable and stronger than ever, until they hit that wall where it crumbles, which is often not the hardest wall that's ever conflicted with the idea. It's not usually a slow decline as people clue in that the belief is not true or real, and most of them know it well before it becomes unsustainable. People in the group usually stay strong for as long as they think everyone else in the group is staying in. Facts do tend to win out in the end of most things. We shall see if the bullshit of card 'collectors' are strong enough to last forever. I would not be shocked at all if they are and this charade continues for decades, in different guises certainly, but the same central charade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Public or group belief systems that fly in the face of ascertainable facts are usually unstoppable and stronger than ever, until they hit that wall where it crumbles, which is often not the hardest wall that's ever conflicted with the idea. It's not usually a slow decline as people clue in that the belief is not true or real, and most of them know it well before it becomes unsustainable. People in the group usually stay strong for as long as they think everyone else in the group is staying in. Facts do tend to win out in the end of most things. We shall see if the bullshit of card 'collectors' are strong enough to last forever. I would not be shocked at all if they are and this charade continues for decades, in different guises certainly, but the same central charade.

Yep. In many areas of life people will just deny or ignore facts contrary to a belief system that works for them.

[Fred]

What's mentioned in post #38 and the previous post is true. How long can hobbyist turn a blind eye to all this crap. Investment type collectors will look the other way as long as possible. Question is, what is the ratio of hobbyist vs investment type collectors? I bet if a poll was run, most people would say they were "hobbyist" and not investors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fred

What's mentioned in post #38 and the previous post is true. How long can hobbyist turn a blind eye to all this crap. Investment type collectors will look the other way as long as possible. Question is, what is the ratio of hobbyist vs investment type collectors? I bet if a poll was run, most people would say they were "hobbyist" and not investors.

For the most part, IMO, the hobbyists are just as much a part of it.

[Carter08]

I’m not a high end collector for a few reasons, one certainly being lack of funds! My casual outsider observation on high end cards is if they are worth a ton of money beat up because they are old, rare and have a great player on them or are a key part of a tough set, that makes sense to me. If they are worth a ton of money because they aren’t that rare generally but have particularly sharp corners, that seems a bit crazy. No offense to those that can afford them but sharp vintage cards scream exacto knife to me.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For the most part, IMO, the hobbyists are just as much a part of it.

Can you please elaborate.

[Fred]

They should just start with a minimum size card requirement. I know what comes next from this board: "many cards are undersized and that wouldn't be fair for those cards". True, but how many undersized cards are there overall, especially if they have razor sharp corners. Take the following challenge - get a series of the same card and stack them neatly. How many actually deviate from the typical size? Oh yeah, a lot of people can't do that but they can stack the slabs and those are pretty much all the same size.

Most people are right - this is a cry out by a company that offers a service that they are beginning to understand they cannot deliver on very well and they believe this will give them an avenue to take legal action against people that try to deceive them, intentionally.

There's an easy way to get around it. Have someone else submit the cards that is not aware the cards are doctored.

This is a joke.