SGC'S Aggressive Upcharges

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

BF, you can make up your own mind; everyone is entitled to collect in whatever way they want. This hobby has room for all of it.

Yes, I agree.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Lemme clue you in, pal....

Well if we're both agreed that I can make up my own mind, why are you suggesting that I need to be "clued in"? That doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

...not liking slabbed cards doesn't make you a more pious, pure, true collector than the guys who have a box full of slabs.

I neither said nor implied any such thing.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

There are people, believe it or not, who enjoy the hobby by collecting graded cards, and are just as passionate and involved with their collections as you appear to be with yours.

Oh probably. But since we've already agreed that everyone can make up their own mind and "everyone is entitled to collect in whatever way they want", neither of us can speak for anyone else let alone address their level of passion.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

But the issue we are discussing here is not your personal philosophy of collecting: if you don't want to collect graded cards, knock yourself out.

If it's all right with you, I'd rather stay conscious and alert.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Instead, you come into a thread about grading company charging practices and crap all over the grading process itself and the people who use grading services.

I said that SGC was only charging what the market would bear and I didn't understand why the people who didn't like SGC's prices didn't just say "No!" That's basically just a common sense remark. As such that's not "crapping" on anybody.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

You've been here all of five minutes....

Well yeah, but I have been posting rather actively on many and varied discussion forums since 2001 including the CGC comic board since 2005 (under a different name) and this board's Net54 Hockey and Non-Sport sister boards since 2011.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

how about a little respect for your fellow collectors who may not see things the way you do?

Speaking of respecting fellow collectors, let me point out that you're the one who characterized a fellow poster (me) as "pious" and my comments as "narrow-minded" and "self-righteous". I've not (yet) said anything of that sort about you or anyone else on this board.

But simply expressing opinions that might not be shared by the majority of other board members here can hardly be classified as "disrespectful".

[raulus]

Sometimes it seems like this whole grading business brings out the worst in all of us.

For those that abhor grading, there's a constant feeling that the war is being lost. Every day seems to bring more news that more and more stuff is ending up in slabs. Even stuff that is worth less than the cost of getting it slabbed! For this group, this endless procession must seem a bit like Sisyphus perpetually rolling his boulder up the hill or maybe King Canute being unable to stop the tide. And I suspect the whole thing just makes for a very irascible bunch.

For those that are into grading, at some point there will come a dawning realization that grading is deeply flawed. The graders routinely miss card doctoring. Some pieces are over-graded. Recently, even more seem to be under-graded. While we might wish that the marketing copy from the graders were true, sooner or later we're bound to realize that the execution of the concept leaves a lot to be desired. Particularly for those that have a big chunk of their net worth tied up in high graded slabs, these dynamics lead to a similar level of discontent and irascibility.

For extra fun and hijinks, mix it all together in a short-form chat room, where it's easy to get your dander up, and you've got the perfect cocktail for everyone to find a reason to lash out and go a little bit nuts. It's almost as much fun as politics, but without the upside of getting the dopamine hit of having your preferred candidate win from time to time.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by raulus

Sometimes it seems like this whole grading business brings out the worst in all of us.

For those that abhor grading, there's a constant feeling that the war is being lost. Every day seems to bring more news that more and more stuff is ending up in slabs. Even stuff that is worth less than the cost of getting it slabbed! For this group, this endless procession must seem a bit like Sisyphus perpetually rolling his boulder up the hill or maybe King Canute being unable to stop the tide. And I suspect the whole thing just makes for a very irascible bunch.

For those that are into grading, at some point there will come a dawning realization that grading is deeply flawed. The graders routinely miss card doctoring. Some pieces are over-graded. Recently, even more seem to be under-graded. While we might wish that the marketing copy from the graders were true, sooner or later we're bound to realize that the execution of the concept leaves a lot to be desired. Particularly for those that have a big chunk of their net worth tied up in high graded slabs, these dynamics lead to a similar level of discontent and irascibility.

For extra fun and hijinks, mix it all together in a short-form chat room, where it's easy to get your dander up, and you've got the perfect cocktail for everyone to find a reason to lash out and go a little bit nuts. It's almost as much fun as politics, but without the upside of getting the dopamine hit of having your preferred candidate win from time to time.

Well said and very profound!

[jchcollins]

You could reply a lot quicker to Adam in this style if you moved all of this to Facebook, LOL.

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Yes, I agree.



Well if we're both agreed that I can make up my own mind, why are you suggesting that I need to be "clued in"? That doesn't make sense.



I neither said nor implied any such thing.



Oh probably. But since we've already agreed that everyone can make up their own mind and "everyone is entitled to collect in whatever way they want", neither of us can speak for anyone else let alone address their level of passion.



If it's all right with you, I'd rather stay conscious and alert.



I said that SGC was only charging what the market would bear and I didn't understand why the people who didn't like SGC's prices didn't just say "No!" That's basically just a common sense remark. As such that's not "crapping" on anybody.



Well yeah, but I have been posting rather actively on many and varied discussion forums since 2001 including the CGC comic board since 2005 (under a different name) and this board's Net54 Hockey and Non-Sport sister boards since 2011.



Speaking of respecting fellow collectors, let me point out that you're the one who characterized a fellow poster (me) as "pious" and my comments as "narrow-minded" and "self-righteous". I've not (yet) said anything of that sort about you or anyone else on this board.

But simply expressing opinions that might not be shared by the majority of other board members here can hardly be classified as "disrespectful".

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

You could reply a lot quicker to Adam in this style if you moved all of this to Facebook, LOL.

I don't do Facebook (as a matter of general principle). Nor do I respond kindly to sarcasm or condescension.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

I don't do Facebook (as a matter of general principle). Nor do I respond kindly to sarcasm or condescension.

But you do clearly have to respond. To everything.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

But you do clearly have to respond. To everything.

I'll just prove your point.

[Balticfox]

Here though is a thread to which I wish you yourself and other board members would respond:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=353646

I like talk about the cards themselves.