1961 Mickey Mantle error card.. looking for advice

[Cliff Bowman]

What's on the other side of the card? Can you post a scan or pic of it?

[swarmee]

For those print sheet enthusiasts, are the Mantle front and Kluszewski back on the proper places on a print sheet where they could be aligned over each other?

[swarmee]

1961 Topps - [Base] - Blank Back #_VIWE - Vic Wertz [Poor to Fair]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Another plausible explanation: Blank backed Kluszewski with the Mantle front printed, then the Klu back printed over it.

Could also be grainy because of a transfer from the blanket, or would that also be in reverse?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by swarmee

For those print sheet enthusiasts, are the Mantle front and Kluszewski back on the proper places on a print sheet where they could be aligned over each other?

#65 Kluszewski is a 1st Series card and #300 Mantle is a 4th Series card, if it was the other way around and the 4th Series Mantle was printed over the 1st Series Kluszewski then it might be somewhat plausible but I can't believe a 1st Series card would be printed over a 4th Series card.

[RSteamboat]

Let’s keep it classy San Diego!

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

#65 Kluszewski is a 1st Series card and #300 Mantle is a 4th Series card, if it was the other way around and the 4th Series Mantle was printed over the 1st Series Kluszewski then it might be somewhat plausible but I can't believe a 1st Series card would be printed over a 4th Series card.

That's the first thing I thought also. Unless Topps printed the first 4 series at the same time and simply released them at different dates (which almost certainly didn't happen), it seems very unlikely that they would print a first series card on stock from a later printed series .

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

That's the first thing I thought also. Unless Topps printed the first 4 series at the same time and simply released them at different dates (which almost certainly didn't happen), it seems very unlikely that they would print a first series card on stock from a later printed series .

There is nothing about it that makes sense for being a real printing error. Just the different print angle of Mantle compared to the back of other card don't make sense. Yes that doesn't look like much on one card but now imagine the sheet that is a little over 12 times as tall and close to 23 times as wide. The full sheet corners would be WAY off. I could go on and on and on about everything I believe are huge red flags. Maybe in hand I would have a different opinion but I highly doubt it and I have owned about every type of print error imaginable.

[RSteamboat]

I appreciate everyone’s comments. It’s been very helpful. Every person that has held the card says it’s real. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be haters.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by RSteamboat

I appreciate everyone’s comments. It’s been very helpful. Every person that has held the card says it’s real. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be haters.

LOL, haters. Seriously nobody on here cares enough about that card to be a hater.

Take some macro(close up) pictures of different parts of the card and post them so we can see the print dots.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by RSteamboat

I appreciate everyone’s comments. It’s been very helpful. Every person that has held the card says it’s real. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be haters.

This thread is completely pointless if you are going to ignore evidence that doesn’t support what you want. Sell it to one of these people who believe.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by RSteamboat

I appreciate everyone’s comments. It’s been very helpful. Every person that has held the card says it’s real. Unfortunately, there’s always gonna be haters.

Some people doubt the authenticity of the card. Collectively, we've laid out a few reasons and provided supporting information.

You've presented images of this card to one of the most knowledgeable groups of baseball card collectors in the hobby. Sorry if some of our opinions weren't what you wanted to read.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by swarmee

For those print sheet enthusiasts, are the Mantle front and Kluszewski back on the proper places on a print sheet where they could be aligned over each other?

Kluszewski is in the third slot on a row on the 1st Series sheet, I don't know if Mantle is in the ninth slot of a row on a 4th Series sheet if it was printed upside down.

[Kevvyg1026]

Thanks Cliff, another rabbit hole to chase (LOL).I only have about 12 significant miscuts for the series 4 (88cards) and haven't even considered trying to reconstruct it.