Theft at Philly Show

[ClementeFanOh]

G1911-

1) Some commenters in this thread very clearly mentioned incidents of
showgoers being followed beyond the show site. This goes beyond mere
Theft by deception.

2) On the other hand, not one commenter (that I recall) mentioned or
advocated brandishing a weapon at a suspected thief in a show hall.
Rather obviously, lethal force isn't justified in such a situation- but again,
no one mentioned it as an option, other than you in the negative.

3) This really isn't difficult. People are searching for ways to protect their
property or person at shows or beyond them. Personal carry is just one
way.

4) Again, I am very well-schooled in this area so I'm not going to take the
bait for some contorted debate. The notion that people are willing to
discuss gun carry is a symptom of this growing problem at shows, not the
cause. My comment about "passing the problem" applies to all of us.

Done and dusted, Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Trent, I may not be following you, but how does carrying a weapon act as a deterrent unless would be thieves know the dealer has one? Do you put a sign on your table saying you're armed?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

G1911-

1) Some commenters in this thread very clearly mentioned incidents of
showgoers being followed beyond the show site. This goes beyond mere
Theft by deception.

2) On the other hand, not one commenter (that I recall) mentioned or
advocated brandishing a weapon at a suspected thief in a show hall.
Rather obviously, lethal force isn't justified in such a situation- but again,
no one mentioned it as an option, other than you in the negative.

3) This really isn't difficult. People are searching for ways to protect their
property or person at shows or beyond them. Personal carry is just one
way.

4) Again, I am very well-schooled in this area so I'm not going to take the
bait for some contorted debate. The notion that people are willing to
discuss gun carry is a symptom of this growing problem at shows, not the
cause. My comment about "passing the problem" applies to all of us.

Done and dusted, Trent King

1) Followed, and an unoccupied vehicle broken into at a restaurant parking lot. That's not free rein to use your gun. Again, the gun would not have helped this incident.

2) As I recall, someone did bring that scenario into the 500 post thread on the front page about the in-show theft. It was a little concerning.

3) How is the presence of a concealed firearm going to deter a criminal unless it is first drawn? Read your previous post? Again, it would not have changed any of these cases. I am all in favor of carrying a gun, but it is not for these kinds of thefts.

4) You don't seem to be very well schooled or responsible whatsoever.

Done and dusted 'em

[ClementeFanOh]

G1911-

1) That was NOT the only incident mentioned in this thread. I have NOT said
that people have "free rein" to use a gun as it suits them.

2) My comments are restricted to this thread, not some 500 post thread in
the past. It's likely you made 80 of those 500 posts anyway, so I'm sure
it's a clown show. People on THIS thread are discussing yet another
high dollar card show Theft and ways to deter/address them.

3) If you really need to be told how a presence of a weapon- concealed or
not- may deter a person with criminal intent, you don't belong in this
chat. (Maybe start with a Google search for "open carry", if you can
manage it).

4) You are a dullard who can't follow basic lines of thought. Frankly, I'm
astonished you've stayed on topic this long, albeit incorrectly. The people
on this thread have posted consistent remarks except, naturally, for you.
You are the one who turned reasonable thoughts into Mad Max conditions.

Get help! Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

G1911-

1) That was NOT the only incident mentioned in this thread. I have NOT said
that people have "free rein" to use a gun as it suits them.

2) My comments are restricted to this thread, not some 500 post thread in
the past. It's likely you made 80 of those 500 posts anyway, so I'm sure
it's a clown show. People on THIS thread are discussing yet another
high dollar card show Theft and ways to deter/address them.

3) If you really need to be told how a presence of a weapon- concealed or
not- may deter a person with criminal intent, you don't belong in this
chat. (Maybe start with a Google search for "open carry", if you can
manage it).

4) You are a dullard who can't follow basic lines of thought. Frankly, I'm
astonished you've stayed on topic this long, albeit incorrectly. The people
on this thread have posted consistent remarks except, naturally, for you.
You are the one who turned reasonable thoughts into Mad Max conditions.

Get help! Trent King

1) Then you shouldn't be objecting and throwing a fit because I said a gun is not an appropriate solution for these kinds of thefts. If you don't believe a gun is the appropriate solution for the situation that is the topic, why are you mad? Try to follow the actual statements instead of just that I live rent free in your head and you're angry.

2) My comments, which you are replying to on schedule for your monthly breakdown, are explicitly about the spate of 2024 card show theft threads and said directly this multiple times. If you don't want to talk about that, then don't reply to talk about it. Kind of obvious, no? EDIT: The dataset shows I made 11 of the 517.

3) A concealed weapon cannot deter anyone, as they don't know you have it. Let's try to think. Are we now changing to one should open carry a gun to card shows so everybody knows not to fuck with you? Should I really be bringing my M4 to card shows to protect my baseball cards?

4) Yes, I am a stupid dullard. But at least I'm not a violent nutter who throws a fit when another poster says you shouldn't just shoot any thief or lynch politicians you don't like. Let's see the details of your certain to be third meltdown when I next post something against unnecessary violence.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Oh I see we're now on to open carry. Even assuming it were legal in the location, that's a great atmosphere for a card show.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh I see we're now on to open carry. Even assuming it were legal in the location, that's a great atmosphere for a card show.

I mean, maybe we should consider it. There could be additional benefits. If you bring your rifle with you, other people will probably get out of your way, allowing you to be the only person going through a dealers cards to pick out the best ones early. You can also use the pouches on your kit to store the cards you buy - that magazine pouch can probably hold a few PSA slabs you've bought too. And if the power goes out, you can just flip down your goggles mounted on your ballistic helmet and be able to see to continue examining potential purchases for signs of alteration.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I mean, maybe we should consider it. There could be additional benefits. If you bring your rifle with you, other people will probably get out of your way, allowing you to be the only person going through a dealers cards to pick out the best ones early. You can also use the pouches on your kit to store the cards you buy - that magazine pouch can probably hold a few PSA slabs you've bought too. And if the power goes out, you can just flip down your goggles mounted on your ballistic helmet and be able to see to continue examining potential purchases for signs of alteration.

An armed citizenry is not your vision of a utopian society?