Deans Again

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

When I was getting back into collecting in 2010, I thought about building a 1978 Topps set, which was the primary set I had as a kid.

I think the people recommending giving Dean's a second shot are those talking about a higher caliber of card, where Dean's is at least a little more competitive.

I just wish that I had bit the bullet (and even used a credit card if needed) and plunked down the $12K they had listed some 1952 Topps Mantles in VG condition on COMC. That's probably my biggest dissapointment in the 10 years I've been back in the hobby.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I think the people recommending giving Dean's a second shot are those talking about a higher caliber of card, where Dean's is at least a little more competitive.

That may be so and it doesn't disprove my point that Deans is mostly inaccessible to some significant portion of collectors. Again, if he choses to sit on his inventory and only cater those who can afford his prices, that's fine. But don't discount that there may have been many would-be collectors who's experience was similar to mine and were scared right out of collecting because of Dean's prices.

I mean, compare:

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and contrast:

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I didn't hunt around for this example. This is the only card I looked at. Greg Morris is, IMO, the best online seller in the hobby and not surprisingly commands premium prices. I am sorry, but I don't care how good Dean's customer service is, it ain't worth 10 times what is already at the top end of the market.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I am sorry, but I don't care how good Dean's customer service is, it ain't worth 10 times what is already at the top end of the market.

You got that right!!! It's quite sad, but he enjoys a small cult following on Net54...

30. Dean-noser (also Dreckonomist)
A person who, in the face of all common sense, always feels compelled to praise the well-known and heavily discussed eBay rip-off artists who laughably try to sell their cards for ten times as much as everyone else.

[ALR-bishop]

Would Deanitis be the continual compulsive need to complain about how Dean has priced his cards for years 😊

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Would Deanitis be the continual compulsive need to complain about how Dean has priced his cards for years 😊

Only if Deanophilia is the compulsion to defend him.

[G1911]

I don't have an issues with his prices, just amazement. That his prices are frequently many multiples of fair pricing is his choice, and it is his buyers choice to do no research and just buy the first copy they see (or however it is they decide to pay 10x value). At some point getting ripped off kind of falls on the idiot who refuses to do any research or look anywhere else. His website has great scans of every card and the grade notes his tool displays are awesome. Occasionally he has commons at a fair price, and I have bought them (.89 for 50's Topps non-sport to fill out my needs was my last buy, and a 63 Nitschke in G-VG for $8), but by and large the pricing is lunacy and I cannot figure out how people are dumb enough to pay that much when the same card can be bought that same day from someone else for many multiples less.

What is is annoying is that it is very difficult to block his ridiculous listings and not waste my time scrolling past his wares. He cross lists to eBay, had a deal with COMC to flood their listings for awhile, hell his crap is even on Amazon. It is difficult to shop online and not see his inventory constantly, which is clearly a working business model.

[icurnmedic]

Never dealt with him, as stated, pricing is usually off. What I don’t care for is the photo’s usually look enhanced. Colors are off I think. Maybe it’s just me?

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by G1911

I don't have an issues with his prices, just amazement.

What is is annoying is that it is very difficult to block his ridiculous listings and not waste my time scrolling past his wares. He cross lists to eBay, had a deal with COMC to flood their listings for awhile, hell his crap is even on Amazon. It is difficult to shop online and not see his inventory constantly, which is clearly a working business model.

YES! I am annoyed that I have to spend the time to filter out his crap every time I want to do an ebay search.

And I am forever in Swarmee's debt for showing me how to block Dean's on COMC.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

That may be so and it doesn't disprove my point that Deans is mostly inaccessible to some significant portion of collectors. Again, if he choses to sit on his inventory and only cater those who can afford his prices, that's fine. But don't discount that there may have been many would-be collectors who's experience was similar to mine and were scared right out of collecting because of Dean's prices.

I mean, compare:

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and contrast:

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I didn't hunt around for this example. This is the only card I looked at. Greg Morris is, IMO, the best online seller in the hobby and not surprisingly commands premium prices. I am sorry, but I don't care how good Dean's customer service is, it ain't worth 10 times what is already at the top end of the market.

There are precisely zero people who would have been collectors but who got scared out of the hobby because of Dean's prices.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There are precisely zero people who would have been collectors but who got scared out of the hobby because of Dean's prices.

"Precisely zero" is an unusual turn of phrase for a data scientist steeped in rigorous statistical analysis. But that isn't the role you are playing here, is it?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

"Precisely zero" is an unusual turn of phrase for a data scientist steeped in rigorous statistical analysis. But that isn't the role you are playing here, is it?

I'm saying that in the entirety of this hobby, there has never once been a single collector who decided to exit the hobby as a result of seeing Dean's prices; an absurd claim you made above. You should be ashamed for coming up with something that stupid. Just say you were joking and all will be right in the world again. On the other hand, if you were in fact serious, then I'll tip my hat to you sir.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'm saying that in the entirety of this hobby, there has never once been a single collector who decided to exit the hobby as a result of seeing Dean's prices; an absurd claim you made above. You should be ashamed for coming up with something that stupid. Just say you were joking and all will be right in the world again. On the other hand, if you were in fact serious, then I'll tip my hat to you sir.

LOL. I'd ask to see your work getting from your prior to your posterior, but there is a precisely zero percent chance it is anything other than "trust me bro."

The folks over at Blowout really are missing out.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

LOL. I'd ask to see your work getting from your prior to your posterior, but there is a precisely zero percent chance it is anything other than "trust me bro."

The folks over at Blowout really are missing out.

The truth is you're an idiot if you honestly think that there is even a single collector who exited the hobby because of one single dealer's prices, let alone a tribe full of such hobby exiters. The ability to even formulate such a thought, let alone type it out and then hit 'Submit Reply' is truly remarkable. Again, I tip my hat to you, sir. Well done. Well done.