The Ohtani 50 50 ball -- lawsuit to stop Goldin Auction

[todeen]

Originally Posted by rats60

With the Bonds ball, the plaintiff was wearing a baseball glove and caught the ball in his glove. The people around him knocked the ball out of his glove and the defendant ended up in possession of the ball.



Here no one caught the ball, it was loose on the ground and the parties were fighting to gain posssession of it.

The way I see the video, the 18yo is the first person in the camera view, and is standing in the location the ball lands after bouncing off the sign. He is the first person there until others run in to make the dog pile, including the man who comes away with the ball. The 18yo bends over to grab the ball and is unable to stand up with the ball because he is stuck, most likely by the man who comes away with the ball. I think it is very possible the judge will see it this way to as long as the boys lawyer is a convincing story teller.

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[Mark17]

This thread reads like Cris Collinsworth calling the play by play on a fumble.
"When did the ball come out? Did the first guy have full possession with a knee on the ground?"

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Mark17

This thread reads like Cris Collinsworth calling the play by play on a fumble.

"When did the ball come out? Did the first guy have full possession with a knee on the ground?"

this is very funny! who's the best play by play announcer you'd want to hear from calling the action in court?

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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by todeen

this is very funny! who's the best play by play announcer you'd want to hear from calling the action in court?

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It would be a great comedy skit to have John Madden calling it. "The first guy has it, then BOOM! The second guy comes in and DOINK! hits him on the head..."

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It would be a great comedy skit to have John Madden calling it. "The first guy has it, then BOOM! The second guy comes in and DOINK! hits him on the head..."

I forgot all about Madden! Great choice

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[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by todeen

I forgot all about Madden! Great choice

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Every time I hear “boom”, I always have to finish by saying…”tough actin’ Tinactin!” Now my 7 year-old daughter does it too…lol

[oldjudge]

I believe Ohtani is one HR from 55/55. Certainly, that trumps 50/50 and would take a lot of the shine off that 50/50 ball.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by todeen

this is very funny! who's the best play by play announcer you'd want to hear from calling the action in court?

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Joe Buck...

...said nobody, ever.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If this is the only video evidence, I think it doesn't tell a conclusive story that Matus had possession of the ball for however long it takes to establish that Belanski actually took it away from him. The judge would also have to believe his testimony. This ball will sell for so much that the parties should compromise this and not risk walking away with nothing, IMO.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If this is the only video evidence, I think it doesn't tell a conclusive story that Matus had possession of the ball for however long it takes to establish that Belanski actually took it away from him. The judge would also have to believe his testimony. This ball will sell for so much that the parties should compromise this and not risk walking away with nothing, IMO.

If the judge is wise, he will call them both into chambers and offer to have the ball cut down the middle, giving half of it to each of them, and astutely deduce from their reactions who is the true owner.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

If the judge is wise, he will call them both into chambers and offer to have the ball cut down the middle, giving half of it to each of them, and astutely deduce from their reactions who is the true owner.

LOL. Had the same thought, so I looked up the Seinfeld episode where Newman (as an homage to the Judgement of Solomon story from the Hebrew Bible) suggested cutting the bike in half, so both Elaine and Kramer could have equal shares, and Kramer's outraged reaction to harming the bike proved he should be the rightful owner. Funny stuff.

[Fred]

I couldn't tell what happened in the scrum. Perhaps they need to send the footage to New York for a review (frame by frame). At the end of the video, you would see the kid mouthing "fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkk".

If that guy used physical force to rip it out of the kids hand, would that be battery?

What would be even funnier is if the stadium security took the person with the ball to a location to provide "authentication of the ball" and then pull a switch and giving the person another game used ball.

I wonder if Ohtani's ex-interpreter had a bet that he'd homer in that at bat?

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the opening chapter of Underworld, there's a scrum under the seats for the Thomson ball, and it's the older (white) guy who gets to it first. Then the younger (black) kid gives his wrist an "Indian burn" and grabs it from him. The non-violent encounter between the two afterwards, which carries on to the edge of Harlem, is epic. And here we now have the scene, in real life.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Fred

If that guy used physical force to rip it out of the kids hand, would that be battery?

From what I could tell, yes, If they each had a hand on the ball and it was a tug-of-war, that would be one thing. This looks like the kid had his hand on the ball, and the man on the ground had his legs around the kids arm, crushing it, and then wrenched the ball from him.

Again, very difficult to see exactly what happened, but the kid’s reaction certainly seemed like he believed he had possession of the ball and it was taken from him.

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by Fred

If that guy used physical force to rip it out of the kids hand, would that be battery?

It alleges so in the lawsuit.

I think the kid gets a settlement. He has a good lawyer and video evidence supports his claims.

[tiger8mush]

Should the courts allow Goldin to run the auction to establish the value of the ball?

[D. Bergin]

I don’t know man. 18 year old looked like maybe the 3rd person in there. Certainly not conclusive.

Can’t throw a winning lottery ticket into a crowd and expect people to be civil.

[oldjudge]

I must admit that I don’t see the beauty of owning a baseball like this(it looks like any other baseball) but, that said, it is easier to see the appeal of an unbroken record ball, like Barry Bonds’ 73rd HR ball. This ball is the 50/50 ball. Isn’t the 51/50 ball or the 52/56 ball even better?

[Vintagedeputy]

I watched the video a couple of times and I believe the 18-year-old kid in the red Miami shirt had the ball in his hand, and the guy on the ground was holding his arm and applying enough force to wrench the ball from him.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I must admit that I don’t see the beauty of owning a baseball like this(it looks like any other baseball) but, that said, it is easier to see the appeal of an unbroken record ball, like Barry Bonds’ 73rd HR ball. This ball is the 50/50 ball. Isn’t the 51/50 ball or the 52/56 ball even better?

I would think not, it's the milestone that matters.