Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[packs]

I feel like getting big is the worst possible thing a pitcher could do. If he's going to DH, sure, get huge. But can you think of a single monster bodied pitcher who had any kind of sustained success?

I remember the year Syndergaard showed up at Mets spring training looking like Bane. Everyone lauded his workout routine and all the press was expecting a huge season out of him. Instead he got hurt, missed the next three seasons, came back a shell of himself and was out of the game at 30 years old, having won 59 total games.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

I feel like getting big is the worst possible thing a pitcher could do. If he's going to DH, sure, get huge. But can you think of a single monster bodied pitcher who had any kind of sustained success?

I remember the year Syndergaard showed up at Mets spring training looking like Bane. Everyone lauded his workout routine and all the press was expecting a huge season out of him. Instead he got hurt, missed the next three seasons, came back a shell of himself and was out of the game at 30 years old, having won 59 total games.

I would say if he focused on lower body it's a good thing even as a pitcher. I would agree if he's bulking up upper body though.

[packs]

I agree. A strong pair of legs is always good for a pitcher. But you aren't going to throw harder because you lift weights and if anything, it's only going to limit your movement, likely resulting in injury.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I agree. A strong pair of legs is always good for a pitcher. But you aren't going to throw harder because you lift weights and if anything, it's only going to limit your movement, likely resulting in injury.

So why so many pitchers using PEDs?

[packs]

It was my understanding that pitchers benefit the most from the advanced healing aspects of PED use.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

It was my understanding that pitchers benefit the most from the advanced healing aspects of PED use.

Which is actually the reason McGwire took them. Look at the years before, he couldn't stay on the field. Hell he didn't need more power, he hit 49 home runs as a beanpole rookie. But he was ALWAYS hurt until he started andro and whatever else.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by packs

It was my understanding that pitchers benefit the most from the advanced healing aspects of PED use.

I can tell you from experience when I was in my 20's I did a couple of cycles of Decca and testosterone and you don't even feel the muscle the next day after a hard workout. The benefits are absolutely insane. Gaining 15lbs in a few weeks was common. You feel like a whole other level human when you are on it but are quickly humbled when you stop. This was in the 90's, I can only imagine how much better the PEDs are today.

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by Tomi

I can tell you from experience when I was in my 20's I did a couple of cycles of Decca and testosterone and you don't even feel the muscle the next day after a hard workout. The benefits are absolutely insane. Gaining 15lbs in a few weeks was common. You feel like a whole other level human when you are on it but are quickly humbled when you stop. This was in the 90's, I can only imagine how much better the PEDs are today.

yah this is correct, its not that it "makes muscles" its that you can put in 30 hours a week of heavy lifting and not feel it.. lol

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by packs

I feel like getting big is the worst possible thing a pitcher could do. If he's going to DH, sure, get huge. But can you think of a single monster bodied pitcher who had any kind of sustained success?

I remember the year Syndergaard showed up at Mets spring training looking like Bane. Everyone lauded his workout routine and all the press was expecting a huge season out of him. Instead he got hurt, missed the next three seasons, came back a shell of himself and was out of the game at 30 years old, having won 59 total games.

Wouldnt you say Roger Clemens bulked up? His head enlarged 3x it seemed.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ohtani putting on a late push for a triple crown too. I had written off the batting title a few weeks ago, only a couple points down now.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Ohtani putting on a late push for a triple crown too. I had written off the batting title a few weeks ago, only a couple points down now.

Yes, I just noticed that as well. Looks like it is mathematically possible. After tonight's game, his WAR will be over 9, which I believe is unprecedented for a DH.

[Peter_Spaeth]

35/93 for September lol.

[bk400]

So here's a question -- let's say Ohtani wins his 3rd MVP unanimously. He then gets hurt next year, can't pitch anymore, and then finishes his career with a few .275, 20 HR, 80 RBI seasons -- so something like a career 60 WAR -- is he still a first-ballot lock for the HOF?

Bonds, A-Rod, Trout and Pujols are the only four players with 3-MVPs who are not in the Hall. We know about Bonds and A-Rod.

Pujols is an obvious lock for the first ballot. I think Trout is also a lock based on his career WAR. I'd argue that Ohtani is also a lock based on his peak years plus the uniqueness of his tenure. But I bet there are those who might disagree.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by bk400

So here's a question -- let's say Ohtani wins his 3rd MVP unanimously. He then gets hurt next year, can't pitch anymore, and then finishes his career with a few .275, 20 HR, 80 RBI seasons -- so something like a career 60 WAR -- is he still a first-ballot lock for the HOF?

Bonds, A-Rod, Trout and Pujols are the only four players with 3-MVPs who are not in the Hall. We know about Bonds and A-Rod.

Pujols is an obvious lock for the first ballot. I think Trout is also a lock based on his career WAR. I'd argue that Ohtani is also a lock based on his peak years plus the uniqueness of his tenure. But I bet there are those who might disagree.

I’ll go a step further. I think he gets in if he suffers career ending injury today, and never plays again. They’ll pass an Ohtani clause to forego the 10 year rule and vote him in pretty definitively.