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[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone of a certain age who -- with the possible exception of Schmidt -- is going to put anyone from the 1980s forward on their team.

Roids tainted careers ruined this even if one believes the roids era of their careers were short compared to their careers on whole. It's not a hill I would die on to argue that any weren't juicing from day one, though.

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and ARod are/were (whatever) legends of our 1980s+ modern era. Their performances were all-time greatness in the entire history of the game.

That leaves us with Rickey Henderson who's career is suspected by most to be clean as an all-time legend. Guys like Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux are up there, too. Albert Pujols has the counting stats to be an all-time great, but in all honesty his alarmingly big investment kept him on the field longer than his playing ability.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Roids tainted careers ruined this even if one believes the roids era of their careers were short compared to their careers on whole. It's not a hill I would die on to argue that any weren't juicing from day one, though.

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and ARod are/were (whatever) legends of our 1980s+ modern era. Their performances were all-time greatness in the entire history of the game.

That leaves us with Rickey Henderson who's career is suspected by most to be clean as an all-time legend. Guys like Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux are up there, too. Albert Pujols has the counting stats to be an all-time great, but in all honesty his alarmingly big investment kept him on the field longer than his playing ability.

Most people's all time teams are heavily biased in favor of the first 50 years of baseball. Who doesn't have Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Hornsby, Wagner, Johnson, Young, and Mathewson on his team? That's 8 out of 12 assuming a four man rotation.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Most people's all time teams are heavily biased in favor of the first 50 years of baseball. Who doesn't have Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Hornsby, Wagner, Johnson, Young, and Mathewson on his team? That's 8 out of 12 assuming a four man rotation.

Yeah, I wouldn't argue against including any of these guys and they are all-time legends, but guys from this era are almost impossible to compare.

Cy Young is obviously a legend, but if you were picking a single season to have someone go out and pitch for you would it be Cy Young or Roger Clemens? Would that season be 250-275ip or 400-425ip? Is the pitcher expected to throw 40+ complete games? At the very least you'd have to answer those 2 questions before you would pick one even though one is obviously superior based on the stuff coming out of their arm.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Yeah, I wouldn't argue against including any of these guys and they are all-time legends, but guys from this era are almost impossible to compare.

Cy Young is obviously a legend, but if you were picking a single season to have someone go out and pitch for you would it be Cy Young or Roger Clemens? Would that season be 250-275ip or 400-425ip? Is the pitcher expected to throw 40+ complete games? At the very least you'd have to answer those 2 questions before you would pick one even though one is obviously superior based on the stuff coming out of their arm.

Our statisticians have made a great effort to neutralize stats across eras to facilitate these sorts of comparisons, but in the end, not sure it really works, and even a numbers guy like Bill James ends up with lists reflecting his biases.