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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Yeah, back in the day we'd never have had a left-handed superstar pitcher punch an umpire after walking the first batter in a game.

Or a team going on strike to defend a teammate who beat up a fan.

Or a team conspiring to intentionally lose a championship.

Yeah, and back in the day they had this too.

This is when MLB lost me and I never cared to go back.

1994 MLB Season
The strike began on August 12, 1994, and resulted in the remainder of that season, including the postseason and the World Series, being canceled.

Owners and players were at loggerheads over a proposed salary cap and revenue-sharing agreement



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[timn1]

Ohtani DH AB 6 R 4 H 6 RBI 10
3 homeruns (49, 50, 51)
2 stolen bases (50, 51)
2 doubles
1 single
17 total bases

[packs]

Among active players you have Trout with 3 MVPs, Ohtani about to win his third, Judge about to win his second, and Harper with 2 MVPs to himself.

There have only been 11 players ever to win three or more MVP awards. There could potentially be 4 of them playing at the same time in the coming years.

Ohtani will become the 12th. Judge is 32 and Harper is 31.

I don't understand any avoidance of the modern game. Right now, you have the opportunity to watch a sport with some of the most dominant players you will see in your lifetime all active at the same time and in their primes. Even if Trout is oft injured, he's still just 33 years old.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Among active players you have Trout with 3 MVPs, Ohtani about to win his third, Judge about to win his second, and Harper with 2 MVPs to himself.

There have only been 11 players ever to win three or more MVP awards. There could potentially be 4 of them playing at the same time in the coming years.

Ohtani will become the 12th. Judge is 32 and Harper is 31.

I don't understand any avoidance of the modern game. Right now, you have the opportunity to watch a sport with some of the most dominant players you will see in your lifetime all active at the same time and in their primes. Even if Trout is oft injured, he's still just 33 years old.

I don't love the pitching by committee, but agree there are some amazing players and it's still baseball, is there an alternative?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't love the pitching by committee, but agree there are some amazing players and it's still baseball, is there an alternative?

That is annoying but so is the lack of stealing bases, the bunt, the hit and run is almost not part of the game and everyone is going yard each AB. I am not as much of fan of the game as I was.

[packs]

Can you think of some great hit and run players from the past that you admire?

[Peter_Spaeth]

19 guys with 30 or more steals. How far down is that relative to past years?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by packs

Can you think of some great hit and run players from the past that you admire?

Not sure I have a list off hand but I liked the concept.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by packs

Can you think of some great hit and run players from the past that you admire?

On my favorite team I very much admired Tim Foli for his ability to do it.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by packs

Can you think of some great hit and run players from the past that you admire?

Nellie Fox, who also didn't strike out more than 15 times a season, for one.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

That is annoying but so is the lack of stealing bases, the bunt, the hit and run is almost not part of the game and everyone is going yard each AB. I am not as much of fan of the game as I was.

steals are WAY up this year.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

steals are WAY up this year.

The last two years. Steals this year are up up basically 60% the last two years versus 2022.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by packs

Among active players you have Trout with 3 MVPs, Ohtani about to win his third, Judge about to win his second, and Harper with 2 MVPs to himself.

There have only been 11 players ever to win three or more MVP awards. There could potentially be 4 of them playing at the same time in the coming years.

Ohtani will become the 12th. Judge is 32 and Harper is 31.

I don't understand any avoidance of the modern game. Right now, you have the opportunity to watch a sport with some of the most dominant players you will see in your lifetime all active at the same time and in their primes. Even if Trout is oft injured, he's still just 33 years old.

I can understand people upset with how the modern game is handled. I still watch and there's many things about the game I do not like. How pitchers barely go the distance anymore, the patches of corporate sponsors on the uniform, the constant stream of never ending gambling adds, and how any sense of rationality with sports media has gone out the window.

[packs]

I just feel like you guys are part of this constant, if I may borrow from Lost, where people of a certain age just don't like current things anymore. I feel like you would have been interchangeably annoyed with every new iteration of the game, from catchers wearing pads, to fielders wearing gloves and on up to the 162 game season not being a real 154 gamer or being upset they moved the fences in. I understand the nostalgia that probably drives these feelings. Being a kid is fun and when you realize you've gotten older, you just want things to be like they were when you were a kid. And every new kid isn't getting to experience the best of life like you did. But you're missing out on a lot when you think that way because modern life isn't so terrible either.

Aaron Judge is not Babe Ruth but he did hit 62 homers. If I put myself into the future where I'm asking an older guy about what it was like to see Judge hit 62 homers, I'd be pretty let down if they said they didn't know because baseball wasn't stealing a lot of bases then, so they weren't watching anymore.

[btcarfagno]

I really enjoy the emotion in the game today. The quality of the pitching is unimaginable. The fact that hitters can hit that pitching at all boggles my mind. I don't miss the bunting. Am glad they are doing something to bring back stealing bases. Love the pitch clock and batter clock.

But...

The strikeouts and swinging for the fences on every pitch by every hitter in the lineup rubs me the wrong way big time. And the constant use of the bullpen leads to over-managing which I have always hated.

So I guess I mostly like and appreciate the game today but it is tough to watch a full game for me.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

I really enjoy the emotion in the game today. The quality of the pitching is unimaginable. The fact that hitters can hit that pitching at all boggles my mind. I don't miss the bunting. Am glad they are doing something to bring back stealing bases. Love the pitch clock and batter clock.

But...

The strikeouts and swinging for the fences on every pitch by every hitter in the lineup rubs me the wrong way big time. And the constant use of the bullpen leads to over-managing which I have always hated.

So I guess I mostly like and appreciate the game today but it is tough to watch a full game for me.

Same for me. I do love watching all the condensed games on the MLB app the next day.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by packs

I just feel like you guys are part of this constant, if I may borrow from Lost, where people of a certain age just don't like current things anymore. I feel like you would have been interchangeably annoyed with every new iteration of the game, from catchers wearing pads, to fielders wearing gloves and on up to the 162 game season not being a real 154 gamer or being upset they moved the fences in. I understand the nostalgia that probably drives these feelings. Being a kid is fun and when you realize you've gotten older, you just want things to be like they were when you were a kid. And every new kid isn't getting to experience the best of life like you did. But you're missing out on a lot when you think that way because modern life isn't so terrible either.

Aaron Judge is not Babe Ruth but he did hit 62 homers. If I put myself into the future where I'm asking an older guy about what it was like to see Judge hit 62 homers, I'd be pretty let down if they said they didn't know because baseball wasn't stealing a lot of bases then, so they weren't watching anymore.

I agree with a lot of this. But as someone who grew up watching baseball in the 70s, I miss complete games, four man rotations, shutouts and an era where good pitching was the focus of the game. The game isn’t the same for me due to the lack of dominant starting pitching. That being said, when I was a kid we’d get scores off the radio or on the nightly sports report. And we’d see box scores the next day — on all games but the late-ending west coast. I love being able to watch any game I want on demand.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think there's a universal tendency for people as they age to think things were better in the past. If you want to see this phenomenon ask anyone over say 50 for their all time great list, it will be heavily slanted and won't have a single player from the past four decades. From my perspective, as long as they don't move the pitcher's mound or the bases, or change 4 balls and 3 strikes, it would be really hard to kill baseball.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by calvindog

The game isn’t the same for me due to the lack of dominant starting pitching.

Technology has a habit of being unfair. For quite a while, and especially currently, technology is vastly helping hitters train compared to pitchers.

Being able to use cameras to analyze hitters and pitchers is nearly an even playing field. We can map hitter swing planes, we can count spin rate on a pitch...etc.

However, advanced hitting tools for training are far more advanced compared to pitching tools. Video batting simulators where you can dial up almost anything a pitcher can do and practice with no assistance from anyone is so common there's been different vendors for many years. Pitchers have various digital and non-digital tools, too, but most of theirs are diagnostic in nature to identify points of correction.

When the Japanese-style "sticky" ball shows up in the bigs (currently used in AA), pitchers should get a bit more of their spin-rate tool back. Theoretically, that should help even the game out a bit.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by packs

I just feel like you guys are part of this constant, if I may borrow from Lost, where people of a certain age just don't like current things anymore. I feel like you would have been interchangeably annoyed with every new iteration of the game, from catchers wearing pads, to fielders wearing gloves and on up to the 162 game season not being a real 154 gamer or being upset they moved the fences in. I understand the nostalgia that probably drives these feelings. Being a kid is fun and when you realize you've gotten older, you just want things to be like they were when you were a kid. And every new kid isn't getting to experience the best of life like you did. But you're missing out on a lot when you think that way because modern life isn't so terrible either.

Aaron Judge is not Babe Ruth but he did hit 62 homers. If I put myself into the future where I'm asking an older guy about what it was like to see Judge hit 62 homers, I'd be pretty let down if they said they didn't know because baseball wasn't stealing a lot of bases then, so they weren't watching anymore.

It is called preference and we are entitled to preferences the last I checked. Change is great. I welcome the concept in my life but that does not mean that all changes sit well. There are a lot of things about the game of baseball today that make me a very casual fan of the game. Maybe that is my loss but I am not going to spend my time doing something I do not enjoy. Football has changed a great deal too over the decades but I love the game more with those changes.

[packs]

I'm talking about a general angst that seems to be present among the aging that stretches over a variety of casual interests, like music, movies, sports, etc. I think there's a lot of nostalgia tied up in this dislike of modernity. I realize that the individual preferences that exist within this realm, like what specifically you don't like, are there but I still think it's part of a larger and ever-present trend throughout all of time.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by packs

I just feel like you guys are part of this constant, if I may borrow from Lost, where people of a certain age just don't like current things anymore. I feel like you would have been interchangeably annoyed with every new iteration of the game, from catchers wearing pads, to fielders wearing gloves and on up to the 162 game season not being a real 154 gamer or being upset they moved the fences in. I understand the nostalgia that probably drives these feelings. Being a kid is fun and when you realize you've gotten older, you just want things to be like they were when you were a kid. And every new kid isn't getting to experience the best of life like you did. But you're missing out on a lot when you think that way because modern life isn't so terrible either.

Aaron Judge is not Babe Ruth but he did hit 62 homers. If I put myself into the future where I'm asking an older guy about what it was like to see Judge hit 62 homers, I'd be pretty let down if they said they didn't know because baseball wasn't stealing a lot of bases then, so they weren't watching anymore.

I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but I'm 30. Most of the things I'm annoyed with does not effect the product on the field, outside of pitchers no longer going the distance. I still love baseball, I always will. The corporate patches on uniforms and constant gambling adds are something that add nothing to the game, IMO.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Seven

I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but I'm 30. Most of the things I'm annoyed with does not effect the product on the field, outside of pitchers no longer going the distance. I still love baseball, I always will. The corporate patches on uniforms and constant gambling adds are something that add nothing to the game, IMO.

+1, add the extra inning ghost runner to that list.