Which Jackie would you buy?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

If you want an 8, I'd surely wait. Both of those cards are irksome, both for the grade and how they present regardless.

What's going on with the bottom corner of the SGC? Unidentifiable detritus? Common printer's mark of which I wasn't aware?

More things going on with them?

For all the aspects which would trouble me with those two cards, I have to imagine there are countless examples even three grades lower which I would find much more aesthetically pleasing, but that's just me.

[Lorewalker]

I would pass on both regardless of the price.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

If you want an 8, I'd surely wait. Both of those cards are irksome, both for the grade and how they present regardless.

What's going on with the bottom corner of the SGC? Unidentifiable detritus? Common printer's mark of which I wasn't aware?

More things going on with them?

For all the aspects which would trouble me with those two cards, I have to imagine there are countless examples even three grades lower which I would find much more aesthetically pleasing, but that's just me.

Just noticed the mark on the SGC. Maybe common printers mark? Noticed it on this PSA 8.5 as well.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Yep. Thought that was likely the case.

[ccre]

Choosing between the two options? The SGC all day long.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

What's going on with the bottom corner of the SGC? Unidentifiable detritus? Common printer's mark of which I wasn't aware?

That is a very common print mark. It is present on Type 1 Jackies which are cut high enough. The SGC 8 is a Type 1, the PSA 8 is a Type 2.

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

For all the aspects which would trouble me with those two cards, I have to imagine there are countless examples even three grades lower which I would find much more aesthetically pleasing, but that's just me.

Ya, I agree. I would pass on both of these copies. That said, the SGC 8 is the far superior card of the two above. I would wait for a centered copy to surface in a lower grade, personally. Although then you'd probably find yourself competing against me if you found one lol.

[Snowman]

Here are a few of mine. I would much rather buy 3 of these than one of those.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

That is a very common print mark. It is present on Type 1 Jackies which are cut high enough. The SGC 8 is a Type 1, the PSA 8 is a Type 2.

Thanks. Yeah, it's coming back to me the more I stare at it. My hobby focus has been off (unsigned) cards for over 30 years, so a lot of that old knowledge I used to carry around was clearly pushed aside to make room for information more relevant to my side of things!

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

That is a very common print mark. It is present on Type 1 Jackies which are cut high enough. The SGC 8 is a Type 1, the PSA 8 is a Type 2.



Ya, I agree. I would pass on both of these copies. That said, the SGC 8 is the far superior card of the two above. I would wait for a centered copy to surface in a lower grade, personally. Although then you'd probably find yourself competing against me if you found one lol.

What's difference between type 1 and type 2? Wasn't aware of the different designations....

[LEHR]

Between the two 8's listed I'd take the SGC. The centering kills it for me on the PSA card even though the registration is a little better on the PSA. Ultimately for the kind of money these will bring I'd probably wait for a better copy to come up.

[Kidnapped18]

SGC is clearly the better copy
PSA example has that printers mark/defect on top of hat and is not centered with slight skew to the right

[JollyElm]

Sadly, with my budget, this is completely out of my milieu, but if you need help choosing the better bargain between a PSA 5 and an SGC 5 1973 Topps Willie Montanez, I am definitely your man!!!!

[babraham]

I'd hold off and wait for a better looking 8 if I was set on an 8.

[Republicaninmass]

Im not OK with the dramatic tilt on the top of the sgc card and not as much at the bottom.

That would irk me until I sold it

That psa 8 looks like an old flip that was cleansed into a new flip.

Hard pass on both here, more so at the precipice of the market IMO

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Im not OK with the dramatic tilt on the top of the sgc card and not as much at the bottom.

That would irk me until I sold it

That psa 8 looks like an old flip that was cleansed into a new flip.

Hard pass on both here, more so at the precipice of the market IMO

That's how the card is printed though lol. All type 1 Jackies have that tilt on the top border. If it doesn't, it's trimmed

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

What's difference between type 1 and type 2? Wasn't aware of the different designations....

There are numerous differences when you examine them closely, but here are a few that make it easy to detect right away, circled in yellow in the images below.

• The top left corner of the image box on a Type 1 is sharper and protrudes out to the left, whereas on the Type 2, it has more of a smooth rounded corner
• The stars on the left edge of the name box has a partial white star at the top of the box in the Type 1s that isn't present on the Type 2s
• The top border black line is more slanted on the Type 1 than on the Type 2
• There is often a small print mark on Type 1s at the bottom right corner in the border, as shown in the SGC 8 in the OP
• There is sometimes a small fisheye near Jackie's hat in the Type 2s that isn't present in the Type 1s (but isn't always present in Type 2s)
• On the back, the threads on the baseball face right in the Type 2s (top image shown below) and they face left in the Type 1s
• The right edge of the text box alignment extends further to the right on Type 1s than it does on Type 2s

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There are numerous differences when you examine them closely, but here are a few that make it easy to detect right away, circled in yellow in the images below.

• The top left corner of the image box on a Type 1 is sharper and protrudes out to the left, whereas on the Type 2, it has more of a smooth rounded corner
• The stars on the left edge of the name box has a partial white star at the top of the box in the Type 1s that isn't present on the Type 2s
• The top border black line is more slanted on the Type 1 than on the Type 2
• There is often a small print mark on Type 1s at the bottom right corner in the border, as shown in the SGC 8 in the OP
• There is sometimes a small fisheye near Jackie's hat in the Type 2s that isn't present in the Type 1s (but isn't always present in Type 2s)
• On the back, the threads on the baseball face right in the Type 2s (top image shown below) and they face left in the Type 1s
• The right edge of the text box alignment extends further to the right on Type 1s than it does on Type 2s

Thanks for all the info and laid out so nicely! Very informative. What version is the more desirable?

[ClementeFanOh]

AJ- I'd go with the SGC by a hair. Amazing the number of folks who reply
while ignoring your direct question. You can lead a horse to water...

Trent King

[Rhotchkiss]

SGC crushes in my opinion

That said, I don’t like the picture tilt for that grade, and as others stated, I would pass and wait for a better centered one, especially in an 8

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Thanks for all the info and laid out so nicely! Very informative. What version is the more desirable?

I have a very slight preference for the type 2, but the market values them equivalently and I'd never pass on a type 1 that fits my centering and condition criteria

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

What's difference between type 1 and type 2? Wasn't aware of the different designations....

Yes it's like the Mantle, which was double printed with slight differences between the versions.