What are the best vintage, investment-type players in your opinion?

[Bagwell-1994]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mantle is the perfect storm. Yankees. 50s. Sorry to say this, but white where Mays and Aaron -- both probably better players -- were not. Switch hitting and power/speed things. Folk hero personality and looks. Mystique of playing through pain. And, taking into account the astonishing number of walks, his metrics really are great.

I suppose that explains it pretty well. Still puzzling to me though. Stan Musial, Teddy Ball Game, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron. Absolute studs of that era but they pale in comparison to the "Mystique of the Mick".

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[raulus]

Originally Posted by Bagwell-1994

I suppose that explains it pretty well. Still puzzling to me though. Stan Musial, Teddy Ball Game, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron. Absolute studs of that era but they pale in comparison to the "Mystique of the Mick".

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Sometimes it’s not meant to make sense. The market takes on a life of its own, and people pay the piper because they can’t live without it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bagwell-1994

I suppose that explains it pretty well. Still puzzling to me though. Stan Musial, Teddy Ball Game, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron. Absolute studs of that era but they pale in comparison to the "Mystique of the Mick".

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Look at Joe Namath in football. Pete Maravich in basketball. Popularity can be fueled by intangibles.

Conversely there are lots of players who just don't generate as much excitement as their numbers would suggest. But don't fall into the "underrated" trap -- it's not like after decades, that's going to suddenly change.

[ClementeFanOh]

Uniship/Eric-

Interesting question for those who stay on the topic. It seems like you are
well aware of all the obvious individual players and were maybe looking for
some "under the radar" good bets. The 1914/15 CJs are a great start. I'd also
go with the tougher 19th century HOFers in the Old Judge set, and other
even tougher issues, as supply/demand takes hold. Just a guess

Trent King

[Rhotchkiss]

I claim ignorance on pre 1900.

The inaugural 5:

Cobb
Wagner
Ruth
Mathewson
Johnson

Cy Young
Joe Jackson
Jackie Robinson
Mantle
Mays

Thorpe

Sets - t206, 1914 CJ, E107, T3, E94, W600, Rose Co

Undervalued cards, IMO

T204 Johnson
Tip Top Wagner
1925 Exhibits Gehrig
Dietsche Cobb, throwing and batting

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I claim ignorance on pre 1900.

The inaugural 5:

Cobb
Wagner
Ruth
Mathewson
Johnson

Cy Young
Joe Jackson
Jackie Robinson
Mantle
Mays

Thorpe

Sets - t206, 1914 CJ, E107, T3, E94, W600, Rose Co

Undervalued cards, IMO

T204 Johnson
Tip Top Wagner
1925 Exhibits Gehrig
Dietsche Cobb, throwing and batting

+1

Good list, Ryan.

[rats60]

Ruth
Wagner
Cobb
Joe Jackson

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look at Joe Namath in football. Pete Maravich in basketball. Popularity can be fueled by intangibles.

Conversely there are lots of players who just don't generate as much excitement as their numbers would suggest. But don't fall into the "underrated" trap -- it's not like after decades, that's going to suddenly change.

Pretty good point here. And speaking of Namath, is there anyone more overrated in the realm of vintage card prices? I mean, come on . . . Joe Namath. The guy had more interceptions than touchdowns. Once again, it's the New York media factor.

[jackwesq]

Originally Posted by Bagwell-1994

I suppose that explains it pretty well. Still puzzling to me though. Stan Musial, Teddy Ball Game, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron. Absolute studs of that era but they pale in comparison to the "Mystique of the Mick".

Combined, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Stan Musial played in a total of 64 World Series games and had a total of 237 at bats / 267 plate appearances.

Mickey Mantle played in a total of 65 World Series games and had a total of 230 at bats / 273 plate appearances.

I'm sure that added to the Mystique of the Mick.

[Bagwell-1994]

Originally Posted by jackwesq

Combined, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Stan Musial played in a total of 64 World Series games and had a total of 237 at bats / 267 plate appearances.



Mickey Mantle played in a total of 65 World Series games and had a total of 230 at bats / 273 plate appearances.



I'm sure that added to the Mystique of the Mick.

Duly noted. I think everyone had hammered the points home 10 fold! Makes me want to do a deep dive on Mick now. I honestly didn't know a whole lot about him.

O.P. I apologize for inadvertently helping to turn this thread into a Mantle biography.

My original post point was: Mantle is one of, if not the best, value investments for collectors.

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[iwantitiwinit]

Pretty simple. Chase scarcity and or sets with achievable numbers of subjects. E cards. E93, E95, E103, etc.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Bagwell-1994

Duly noted. I think everyone had hammered the points home 10 fold! Makes me want to do a deep dive on Mick now. I honestly didn't know a whole lot about him.

O.P. I apologize for inadvertently helping to turn this thread into a Mantle biography.

My original post point was: Mantle is one of, if not the best, value investments for collectors.

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I liked, "The Last Boy" by Jane Levy.

Listen to Bob Shepard announce him coming to the plate. The way the name rolls off the tongue.

Watch his highlights, pour over his stats. Let's not forget his TORN ACL in his rookie season that never was operated on he played through his entire career. Players today are babies compared to back in the day. They simply PLAYED. Listen to his simple country drawl. We tried to imitate it. He was such a flawed person, but in the end he seeked and found redemption I think? Kinda a great human interest story really. Watch his Eulogy by Bob Costas.

What about Trout, the guy they compared him with? He wouldn't even DH with a sore knee this year. Hit .220 and that was considered HOT before the sprain. Blew off his teammates to have a "6 week" surgery, when they said he could DH. They despise him whereas the Mick's teammates LOVED him. Anyone who has followed the CHY NA Doll knew he wouldn't come back. Bam! a second knee surgery. Shocker. No, very predictable. 5 years missed in his prime. Yea he was great for a very short period, but I choose to forget the Splashing Trout and his 10,478 rookie cards, PSA 10 1 of 1's.

I don't see Trout on anyone's "investment list" but Mantle is on everyone's. While I had the pleasure to watch trout play in person dozens of time, sure he was great when he was in the lineup. Still I have never owned a Trout card. I have 99% of every Mantle card. That's just me I guess? I buy what I liked.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Trout is an extreme example, but even so, it seems that despite all the advances in surgical techniques, diagnostics, and training/conditioning, today's players are hurt more often, and more easily.

[packs]

Are there articles somewhere about teammates hating Trout? Where does that come from?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by packs

Are there articles somewhere about teammates hating Trout? Where does that come from?

Let's just say a little birdie told me...