First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Your assumption is that when PSA graded this they were actually trying to catch alterations in PWCC's submissions. That does not seem to be the case with any of the thousands of cards BODA outed that had been submitted by PWCC.

There is no evidence whatsoever that PSA was knowingly grading altered cards by PWCC. They are simply incompetent/incapable of detecting this stuff. No conspiracy theories needed here. Also, their records and communications with PWCC were subpoenaed by the FBI. If something more nefarious were happening between them, I think we would have heard about it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There is no evidence whatsoever that PSA was knowingly grading altered cards by PWCC. They are simply incompetent/incapable of detecting this stuff. No conspiracy theories needed here. Also, their records and communications with PWCC were subpoenaed by the FBI. If something more nefarious were happening between them, I think we would have heard about it.

Neither of us works for the FBI so I don't think it is so safe to assume there is no evidence whatsoever, to assume we know the scope of the investigation or that we would necessarily have heard anything about the investigation, at this point, because it is still an open matter even if it is not being worked on.

So I will rephrase my statement since it was interpreted as being stated as fact. It is my opinion, not a conspiracy theory, based solely on many of the examples that BODA provided that, if it was not that they were knowingly grading bad cards that they were not trying their best to detect issues with the bad cards submitted by certain submitters. It would require someone submitting altered cards to know for sure that they are incompetent or incapable of detecting altered cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I can't believe PSA is THAT bad. I have to believe there was, and maybe still is, some element of looking the other way for certain submitters.

[Snowman]

Goldin just brokered a private sale of the card for $1.7 million.