Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I wonder where the Mays' Mays pennant ended up?

I had a few new arrivals. They need an iron and a clean.

The Expos pennant isnt very expensive but I love the simplicity of the design. Is it Keezer or WGN?

The Expos font bears a resemblance to the 1967 Montreal World’s Fair pennant, which is also where they got their name.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16679729159...mis&media=COPY

The bigger mystery is the 1950 Yankees. Kinda looks like Trench design, but construction is very different. Many, but not all, of those are made in extremely soft and fragile felt. Almost like Kleenex. Yours looks nice and better quality. I think Mark has it and can confirm. The sister Phillies pennant has the same graphic.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

The Expos font bears a resemblance to the 1967 Montreal World’s Fair pennant, which is also where they got their name.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16679729159...mis&media=COPY

The bigger mystery is the 1950 Yankees. Kinda looks like Trench design, but construction is very different. Many, but not all, of those are made in extremely soft and fragile felt. Almost like Kleenex. Yours looks nice and better quality. I think Mark has it and can confirm. The sister Phillies pennant has the same graphic.

You know, I never knew that about how the Expos got their name.

With regards to the 1950 Yanks pennant,it is extremely soft and feels very fragile, just like you described.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

You know, I never knew that about how the Expos got their name.

With regards to the 1950 Yanks pennant,it is extremely soft and feels very fragile, just like you described.

Yup, just another mystery in Trench's rich history....

Why is the 1950 Phillies version made with such nice thick substantial felt, while the matching Yankees is almost like soft cotton that you can practically pull apart with your fingers?

If you really want to torture yourself, try getting that Yankees pennant to slide into a rigid toploader. And be sure to set aside at least an hour.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yup, just another mystery in Trench's rich history....

Why is the 1950 Phillies version made with such nice thick substantial felt, while the matching Yankees is almost like soft cotton that you can practically pull apart with your fingers?

If you really want to torture yourself, try getting that Yankees pennant to slide into a rigid toploader. And be sure to set aside at least an hour.

I haven't had the pleasure of getting the 1950 Yanks pennant into a toploader yet. Something to look forward to tomorrow :-)

Just checking is the 1950 Yankees pennant by Trench or Epstein. I had a note that it was Eptsein Novelty from when the topic was discussed starting in post #7173

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I haven't had the pleasure of getting the 1950 Yanks pennant into a toploader yet. Something to look forward to tomorrow :-)

Just checking is the 1950 Yankees pennant by Trench or Epstein. I had a note that it was Eptsein Novelty from when the topic was discussed starting in post #7173

My guess would be neither. I suspect Domer will disagree, though, and he may know better given his research. The black pennant is Trench, the red has nothing in common with it besides the player graphic.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

My guess would be neither. I suspect Domer will disagree, though, and he may know better given his research. The black pennant is Trench, the red has nothing in common with it besides the player graphic.

I think the best argument out there is, yes, Trench is the manufacturer of both.

For me, there's too many similarities between the two pennants to ignore. The tapered four-digit year on the tail-end of the pennants is identical, both in terms of location and script. Trench did this throughout the 1940s and 50s. it was practically their signature in those days. See below.

As to the artwork of the catcher + runner duo--it's pretty much the same on both pennants, too. This is a significant connection, for me. I don't know if it was original to Trench's art department, or they simply copied it from a team publication or logo, but ... the fact that it appeared on at least one Trench pennant suggests they would have no objection to its further use on another design. I know that's simple logic, but it makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

I can't speak to the composition discrepancies you all noted; however, the Phillies and companion Yankees pennant were both league championship pennants, i.e., they were made for and sold at the world's series. This means the manufacturer had limited time to make these. They undoubtedly would have cut corners here and there. They may even have contracted with other printers in Philadelphia to make some, which would explain why the felt may not look like that which we'd expect to come from Buffalo, NY (Trench). We've all seen evidence before of this. Might that just explain why these were composed of unusual materials?

Maybe that paper thin cotton-like stuff was super cheap? Maybe it absorbed the ink better? Trench was known for being an innovative company and they experimented with several types of felt throughout the 1950s.