Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by packs

I don’t think you’ll lose money buying Ohtani cards but I wouldn’t say he’s undervalued in the Ernie Banks sense.

I think you’d do well buying Aaron Judge too. It’s like watching an authentic Bonds up there.

There's a pretty wide gap between what Judge is doing and what Bonds did.

[packs]

I agree. Judge is an authentic player. His production is real.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by packs

I agree. Judge is an authentic player. His production is real.

Judge is a Beast!

[1952boyntoncollector]

40 steals now is like 25 in the past? Ohtani amazing player but no way its the same 40 steals now than it was in the past....pitchers could hold ball for 15 secs and throw to first, bases are bigger... etc.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

40 steals now is like 25 in the past? Ohtani amazing player but no way its the same 40 steals now than it was in the past....pitchers could hold ball for 15 secs and throw to first, bases are bigger... etc.

I was wondering the same thing. But then I thought that it is quite possible that SB attempts are down significantly from the prime Rickey Henderson years, given that advanced analytics have taken over many aspects of the game. And those analytics have seemingly devalued the stolen base. So you've got to be a much more sure-footed base stealer before the manager will give you a green light to run today.

As an aside, one of the things that analytics has made less fun about baseball are reducing the frequency of things like stolen bases, hit-and-run plays, and suicide squeezes.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bk400

I was wondering the same thing. But then I thought that it is quite possible that SB attempts are down significantly from the prime Rickey Henderson years, given that advanced analytics have taken over many aspects of the game. And those analytics have seemingly devalued the stolen base. So you've got to be a much more sure-footed base stealer before the manager will give you a green light to run today.

As an aside, one of the things that analytics has made less fun about baseball are reducing the frequency of things like stolen bases, hit-and-run plays, and suicide squeezes.

Agree that analytics has taken fun things about small ball, like bunts and stolen bases, from the game. Stolen bases are probably down also due to the fact that the pitcher is getting the ball to the plate faster than in the past and catcher can probably throw it a bit faster to second too.

[G1911]

He's probably the most recognizable name of any active baseball player in the world, is considered the best player the last few years by anyone who isn't a Yankees fan, outsells pretty much every other veteran player and the player he is most often compared to is the one and only Babe Ruth. How can he possibly be undervalued? He doesn't need to get more pumped up hype to make money off his cards.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

40 steals now is like 25 in the past? Ohtani amazing player but no way its the same 40 steals now than it was in the past....pitchers could hold ball for 15 secs and throw to first, bases are bigger... etc.

Hard disagree about discounting Ohtani’s SB numbers like that.

When Canseco was the first to go 40-40 you had guys like Rickey, Tim Raines and Vince Coleman routinely stealing 90 to 100 bases a year or more. Canseco’s 40 wasn’t even good enough to crack the top 10 back then, while Ohtani is currently 2nd in MLB.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by packs

I agree. Judge is an authentic player. His production is real.

There's also a pretty wide gap between what Bonds did before he every even started taking steroids and what Judge is doing now.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Snowman

There's also a pretty wide gap between what Bonds did before he every even started taking steroids and what Judge is doing now.

I agree. Judge is much better.