Reconstructing 1957 Topps Football uncut sheets

Cliff Bowman · #1 08-23-2024, 09:34 PM

This leaves 11 open slots, C4-C9 of the Stonesifer row and C4-C8 of the Retzlaff row. There are two 5 card runs, Forester-Rogal-Womble-Bassett-B Wilson and Boyd-Gifford-Howton-Butler-Ameche, and a loose card of Jeter. That means Jeter is in either C4 or C9 of the Stonesifer row and the two 5 card combos go into the two open 5 card slots. Hopefully new miscuts can be found to place those cards.

Cliff Bowman · #2 08-23-2024, 11:42 PM

As it turns out there are 10 DP rows and 4 SP rows as we suspected, the Hornung, McElhenny, Bingham, and Nickel rows are obviously SP and the Tasseff, Rote, Stonesifer, Retzlaff, Watkins, McCormack, Tarasovic, E Brown, Carpenter, and Bratkowski rows are definitely DP.

Cliff Bowman · #3 08-24-2024, 08:59 AM

This partial Slit has the bottom seven rows

McCormack
Tarasovic
Ed Brown
Bingham
Nickel
Carpenter
Bratkowski

I would say without a doubt this particular Slit goes

Tasseff
Tobin Rote
Stonesifer
Retzlaff
Watkins
McCormack
Tarasovic
Ed Brown
Bingham
Nickel
Carpenter
Bratkowski

nearmint · #4 08-24-2024, 06:49 PM

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As it turns out there are 10 DP rows and 4 SP rows as we suspected, the Hornung, McElhenny, Bingham, and Nickel rows are obviously SP and the Tasseff, Rote, Stonesifer, Retzlaff, Watkins, McCormack, Tarasovic, E Brown, Carpenter, and Bratkowski rows are definitely DP.

That was my thinking, too, but as mentioned above, I've found pictures showing that Bobby Layne and Ed Brown each had three different cards below them.

The 7-row panel above shows Jim David below Bobby Layne. One of the 9-card panels above shows Bill McPeak below Layne. And here's a miscut John Unitas card that shows Layne above it.

The fact that the low- and high-number cards are in their own rows makes me wonder if they were printed on separate sheets first, then combined onto a common sheet. Also, the player names on the Colts and Browns cards (with one exception) have white player names on low-number cards and black player names on high-number cards, which suggests to me that Topps made an adjustment when designing the high-number cards.

What are your thoughts, Cliff?

Cliff Bowman · #5 08-24-2024, 07:54 PM

I ran the numbers of the non superstar players from each row and the 10 DP rows are roughly the same, and the 4 SP rows are roughly the same. I didn't see any evidence that any of the 10 DP rows were printed more than the other 9, and I didn't see any evidence that any of the 4 SP rows were printed more than the other 3. I think Topps made two different 264 card super sheets (four 132 card Slits) with each Slit having one each of the 10 DP rows and 2 of the Slits having 2 of the 4 SP rows and the other 2 Slits having the 2 other SP rows. Why they would do that I don't know.

nearmint · #6 08-24-2024, 08:16 PM

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I ran the numbers of the non superstar players from each row and the 10 DP rows are roughly the same, and the 4 SP rows are roughly the same. I didn't see any evidence that any of the 10 DP rows were printed more than the other 9, and I didn't see any evidence that any of the 4 SP rows were printed more than the other 3. I think Topps made two different 264 super sheets (four 132 card Slits) with each Slit having one each of the 10 DP rows and 2 of the Slits having 2 of the 4 SP rows and the other 2 Slits having the 2 other SP rows. Why they would do that I don't know.

I can't imagine why they would have done that, either, but I found the same clear SP/DP split when I compared common cards in PSA's population report.

Cliff Bowman · #7 08-26-2024, 12:13 AM

Unless I have a flaw somewhere (wouldn't be the first time) I believe I have completed the seven missing rows from the 1957 Topps Football set. I found a miscut Bill Forester showing a sliver of the card to its left, which has to be either Perry Jeter, Johnny Olszewski, or Jim Patton. The border line of the bottom of the cartoon on the miscut Forester has a unique flaw where the black line gets very thin in two spots towards the left, I compared it to the black line on Jeter, Olszewski, and Patton, and it is a perfect match with Patton. That puts the five card run of Forester-Rogel-Womble-Bassett-B Wilson into C4-C8 of the Stonesifer row, Jeter in C9 of the Stonesifer row, and the five card run of Boyd-Gifford-Howton-Butler-Ameche into C4-C8 of the Retzlaff row.

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