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Old 08-23-2024, 06:50 PM
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#16 John Johnson is above #75 Sid Hudson, that makes Johnson the missing 11th card in the Watkins row and completes it at Watkins-Marchetti-Peaks-Soltau-Summerall-Sherman-Heinrich-Hanner-Mathews-Drazenovich-J Johnson.
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The puzzle pieces are falling into place now, Hirsch is in C11 of the Retzlaff row because he is above John Johnson, this in turn puts Bielski in C11 of the Stonesifer row because Bielski is above Hirsch per the site, which in turn puts Brito in C10 of the Stonesifer row because Brito is to the left of Bielski per the site, Tittle is in C10 of the Retzlaff row and Brewster is in C9 of the Retlaff because they are above Mathews and Drazenovich of the Watkins row per the site.
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This leaves 13 open slots, C3 and C4 of the McElhenny row, C4-C9 of the Stonesifer row, and C4-C8 of the Retzlaff row. There is a two card combo of Christiansen-Chandnois per the site, a two card combo of Butler-Ameche per the site, a three card combo of Boyd-Gifford-Howton per the site, a five card combo of Forester-Rogel-Womble-Bassett-B Wilson, and a loose card of Jeter. I have a miscut Jack Butler that shows the bottom of the cartoon of the card to its left that has a distinctive stray black line. I was able to match it up perfectly to Howton, so that creates a five card run of Boyd-Gifford-Howton-Butler-Ameche. This forces the two card combo of Christiansen-Chandnois into C3 and C4 of the McElhenny row.
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This leaves 11 open slots, C4-C9 of the Stonesifer row and C4-C8 of the Retzlaff row. There are two 5 card runs, Forester-Rogal-Womble-Bassett-B Wilson and Boyd-Gifford-Howton-Butler-Ameche, and a loose card of Jeter. That means Jeter is in either C4 or C9 of the Stonesifer row and the two 5 card combos go into the two open 5 card slots. Hopefully new miscuts can be found to place those cards.
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As it turns out there are 10 DP rows and 4 SP rows as we suspected, the Hornung, McElhenny, Bingham, and Nickel rows are obviously SP and the Tasseff, Rote, Stonesifer, Retzlaff, Watkins, McCormack, Tarasovic, E Brown, Carpenter, and Bratkowski rows are definitely DP.
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This partial Slit has the bottom seven rows

McCormack
Tarasovic
Ed Brown
Bingham
Nickel
Carpenter
Bratkowski

I would say without a doubt this particular Slit goes

Tasseff
Tobin Rote
Stonesifer
Retzlaff
Watkins
McCormack
Tarasovic
Ed Brown
Bingham
Nickel
Carpenter
Bratkowski
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As it turns out there are 10 DP rows and 4 SP rows as we suspected, the Hornung, McElhenny, Bingham, and Nickel rows are obviously SP and the Tasseff, Rote, Stonesifer, Retzlaff, Watkins, McCormack, Tarasovic, E Brown, Carpenter, and Bratkowski rows are definitely DP.
That was my thinking, too, but as mentioned above, I've found pictures showing that Bobby Layne and Ed Brown each had three different cards below them.

The 7-row panel above shows Jim David below Bobby Layne. One of the 9-card panels above shows Bill McPeak below Layne. And here's a miscut John Unitas card that shows Layne above it.



The fact that the low- and high-number cards are in their own rows makes me wonder if they were printed on separate sheets first, then combined onto a common sheet. Also, the player names on the Colts and Browns cards (with one exception) have white player names on low-number cards and black player names on high-number cards, which suggests to me that Topps made an adjustment when designing the high-number cards.

What are your thoughts, Cliff?
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