Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Your instincts are correct. It's by Mitchell and Ness, ca. 2000s.

And, the auctioneer certainly knows better....

Amazing how many people are "fooled" buy this one. I actually had to contact REA (sometime around 2010) to have this pennant taken down from one of their auctions.

Their consigner had a long-winded story about his father acquiring it at Ebbets Field. Nothing about it looks vintage, so I don't understand why people (who should know better) are continually duped by it.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Your instincts are correct. It's by Mitchell and Ness, ca. 2000s.

And, the auctioneer certainly knows better....

Originally Posted by perezfan

Amazing how many people are "fooled" buy this one. I actually had to contact REA (sometime around 2010) to have this pennant taken down from one of their auctions.

Their consigner had a long-winded story about his father acquiring it at Ebbets Field. Nothing about it looks vintage, so I don't understand why people (who should know better) are continually duped by it.

The auction was one of these live Facebook group auctions, and it was a couple that I had never seen before or had never participated in their sales. I was 99% sure it was a modern piece, but since I didn’t have absolute certainty, I didn’t say anything during the sale. I saw it when they first brought it up and then I left the sale for a bit and when I came back, it had been sold already. I believe it sold for about $155.

I actually can’t fault the auctioneers but so much because they try to sell so many different things that they come across that they aren’t well-versed in much of anything. There are often times where I get really good deals on stuff because the seller just isn’t knowledgeable enough about the item that they’re selling. I now know that this is definitely a modern piece, so I’m going to message the seller and hopefully they’ll do the right thing and let the buyer out of their bid.

Edited to add: I just spoke with the seller and told them that it was a modern piece and they thanked me very much and said that they had bought it as a vintage piece and didn’t know so they were going to contact the buyer and cancel the sale.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

The auction was one of these live Facebook group auctions, and it was a couple that I had never seen before or had never participated in their sales. I was 99% sure it was a modern piece, but since I didn’t have absolute certainty, I didn’t say anything during the sale. I saw it when they first brought it up and then I left the sale for a bit and when I came back, it had been sold already. I believe it sold for about $155.

I actually can’t fault the auctioneers but so much because they try to sell so many different things that they come across that they aren’t well-versed in much of anything. There are often times where I get really good deals on stuff because the seller just isn’t knowledgeable enough about the item that they’re selling. I now know that this is definitely a modern piece, so I’m going to message the seller and hopefully they’ll do the right thing and let the buyer out of their bid.

Edited to add: I just spoke with the seller and told them that it was a modern piece and they thanked me very much and said that they had bought it as a vintage piece and didn’t know so they were going to contact the buyer and cancel the sale.

Nice job! You did the right thing and so did the AH, as the buyer paid about $125 too much.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

The auction was one of these live Facebook group auctions, and it was a couple that I had never seen before or had never participated in their sales. I was 99% sure it was a modern piece, but since I didn’t have absolute certainty, I didn’t say anything during the sale. I saw it when they first brought it up and then I left the sale for a bit and when I came back, it had been sold already. I believe it sold for about $155.

I actually can’t fault the auctioneers but so much because they try to sell so many different things that they come across that they aren’t well-versed in much of anything. There are often times where I get really good deals on stuff because the seller just isn’t knowledgeable enough about the item that they’re selling. I now know that this is definitely a modern piece, so I’m going to message the seller and hopefully they’ll do the right thing and let the buyer out of their bid.

Edited to add: I just spoke with the seller and told them that it was a modern piece and they thanked me very much and said that they had bought it as a vintage piece and didn’t know so they were going to contact the buyer and cancel the sale.

That's a good result and auctioneer has built some good will for the future. For reference, I believe that Mitchell and Ness had a series of these pennants with the year screen printed on the spine. Here's another example.

[thetahat]

For future reference, I don’t know of any vintage pennants with anything screened onto a stitched-on spine (like the year on these pennants).

[thetahat]

On the subject of Tigers pennants, a heads-up, this one isn’t vintage to 1968. Should be obvious to many of us but this tends to fetch a vintage price, like some of those M&Ns bring discussed …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33553649052...mis&media=COPY

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

On the subject of Tigers pennants, a heads-up, this one isn’t vintage to 1968. Should be obvious to many of us but this tends to fetch a vintage price, like some of those M&Ns bring discussed …

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33553649052...mis&media=COPY

Stellar pictures.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

For future reference, I don’t know of any vintage pennants with anything screened onto a stitched-on spine (like the year on these pennants).

There are a few.... Cardinals for sure, and I'm pretty sure St. Louis Browns as well. I have one that's 100% legit, but it's stashed away. Will post a pic when I find it.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

There are a few.... Cardinals for sure, and I'm pretty sure St. Louis Browns as well. I have one that's 100% legit, but it's stashed away. Will post a pic when I find it.

You’re referring to the “grommet” pennants? Yes but those don’t have spines, just a screened-on strip. I was referring to a stitched spine (i.e. a separate piece of material sewn on).

[thetahat]

Here are Cardinals and Browns with the year … I have seen Cards with 1937 and 1938. No other dated Browns.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by thetahat

For future reference, I don’t know of any vintage pennants with anything screened onto a stitched-on spine (like the year on these pennants).

We can both be right! I am merely saying that I don’t know of any such pennants. I can’t possibly claim that there are none in existence …