Hey, pennant guys

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

New acquisition from 1937. Has “Charles Shear” tag on back. Does anyone have the “sister” Yankees version? I think there are a couple.

I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Nice pennant.

[ser1979]

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

If you’re a team collector (and I think you are), you’ve gotta jump on stuff you’ve never seen, even if the condition is less than ideal. Great find!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

My favorite Tiger is the Slightly Disapproving Parent Tiger

[ser1979]

Maybe disapproving parent is related to slightly overweight Tiger....

[perezfan]

Slightly disapproving Tiger Parent looks like his son broke curfew and had beer breath.

Overweight Tiger just looks mean, and ready to bite your head off if you say or do the wrong thing. Let’s call that one the PMS-ing ex-wife Tiger.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

My favorite Tiger is the Slightly Disapproving Parent Tiger

Spot on description!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

Great pickup that's a pretty rare pennant. I love team photo pennants. Is that photo glued on to the front of the pennant or is it fixed from the back?

[Vintagedeputy]

I saw this 1955 Dodgers World Series pennant in a live online auction and the sellers kept remarking about how wonderful the condition was on this vintage pennant. I immediately felt like it was a modern fantasy piece. Anyone ever see this before?

[Domer05]

Your instincts are correct. It's by Mitchell and Ness, ca. 2000s.

And, the auctioneer certainly knows better....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Your instincts are correct. It's by Mitchell and Ness, ca. 2000s.

And, the auctioneer certainly knows better....

Amazing how many people are "fooled" buy this one. I actually had to contact REA (sometime around 2010) to have this pennant taken down from one of their auctions.

Their consigner had a long-winded story about his father acquiring it at Ebbets Field. Nothing about it looks vintage, so I don't understand why people (who should know better) are continually duped by it.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

Cool pennant. Not many dated pennants from the 1930s. Which raises a question. Why is it that there are so few identifiable pennants from the 1920s? Seems like there are many more from the teens than the decade that followed. It appears that it didn’t pick back up until the mid 30s.

Mark? Domer?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Cool pennant. Not many dated pennants from the 1930s. Which raises a question. Why is it that there are so few identifiable pennants from the 1920s? Seems like there are many more from the teens than the decade that followed. It appears that it didn’t pick back up until the mid 30s.

Mark? Domer?

Well Greg, that is a fine observation; and I had wondered about that as well....

I think it's a combination of several factors. First, the Great Depression probably didn't help any. Not only were less people attending ballgames in the 1930s, they were buying less consumer goods in general. Money was tight. Advertisers used pennants to help sell all kinds of products. It's no surprise then that the single most common pennant of the late 1930s was the BF3 mini pennant. It could be made so cheaply, advertisers gave them away as promotional items. They were so collectible, apparently everyone forgot about the full size and oversize pennants that had dominated the first two decades of the 20th century.

Second, and this was likely the biggest reason, is the absence of children from ballparks until the 1940s, and onward. In the 1910s and 20s, no respectable family would take their kid to a ballpark. It just wasn't done. Kids had to sneak in or watch the action through a knot hole in the fence. So concessionaires, like Charles Shear and Harry M. Stevens, focused more on hot dogs and beer for the men in attendance.

This slowly began to change in the late 1930s and 40s, when ballparks began making a concerted effort to draw ladies and children inside. Not surprisingly, this is about when we see a huge influx in screen printed, 3/4 size pennants, right? It was the ideal souvenir to sell to a kid: it was cheap and its size was suitable to be waved from a dowel without really blocking anyone's view.

The MLB pennants we know surviving from the 1910s were probably made in really small batches. Nothing like the output of Trench, ADFLAG, WGN, etc. by the 1950s. In those days, pennants were more common on collegiate landscapes--not ballparks.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Well Greg, that is a fine observation; and I had wondered about that as well....

I think it's a combination of several factors. First, the Great Depression probably didn't help any. Not only were less people attending ballgames in the 1930s, they were buying less consumer goods in general. Money was tight. Advertisers used pennants to help sell all kinds of products. It's no surprise then that the single most common pennant of the late 1930s was the BF3 mini pennant. It could be made so cheaply, advertisers gave them away as promotional items. They were so collectible, apparently everyone forgot about the full size and oversize pennants that had dominated the first two decades of the 20th century.

Second, and this was likely the biggest reason, is the absence of children from ballparks until the 1940s, and onward. In the 1910s and 20s, no respectable family would take their kid to a ballpark. It just wasn't done. Kids had to sneak in or watch the action through a knot hole in the fence. So concessionaires, like Charles Shear and Harry M. Stevens, focused more on hot dogs and beer for the men in attendance.

This slowly began to change in the late 1930s and 40s, when ballparks began making a concerted effort to draw ladies and children inside. Not surprisingly, this is about when we see a huge influx in screen printed, 3/4 size pennants, right? It was the ideal souvenir to sell to a kid: it was cheap and its size was suitable to be waved from a dowel without really blocking anyone's view.

The MLB pennants we know surviving from the 1910s were probably made in really small batches. Nothing like the output of Trench, ADFLAG, WGN, etc. by the 1950s. In those days, pennants were more common on collegiate landscapes--not ballparks.

Fantastic observation. Makes sense for sure.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Well Greg, that is a fine observation; and I had wondered about that as well....

I think it's a combination of several factors. First, the Great Depression probably didn't help any. Not only were less people attending ballgames in the 1930s, they were buying less consumer goods in general. Money was tight. Advertisers used pennants to help sell all kinds of products. It's no surprise then that the single most common pennant of the late 1930s was the BF3 mini pennant. It could be made so cheaply, advertisers gave them away as promotional items. They were so collectible, apparently everyone forgot about the full size and oversize pennants that had dominated the first two decades of the 20th century.

Second, and this was likely the biggest reason, is the absence of children from ballparks until the 1940s, and onward. In the 1910s and 20s, no respectable family would take their kid to a ballpark. It just wasn't done. Kids had to sneak in or watch the action through a knot hole in the fence. So concessionaires, like Charles Shear and Harry M. Stevens, focused more on hot dogs and beer for the men in attendance.

This slowly began to change in the late 1930s and 40s, when ballparks began making a concerted effort to draw ladies and children inside. Not surprisingly, this is about when we see a huge influx in screen printed, 3/4 size pennants, right? It was the ideal souvenir to sell to a kid: it was cheap and its size was suitable to be waved from a dowel without really blocking anyone's view.

The MLB pennants we know surviving from the 1910s were probably made in really small batches. Nothing like the output of Trench, ADFLAG, WGN, etc. by the 1950s. In those days, pennants were more common on collegiate landscapes--not ballparks.

Great stuff Kyle! And yes it makes sense.